Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tAEA2Ov2000578 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 11:02:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxXbV-0004L5-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:58:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZxXbV-0004Kw-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:58:41 +0000 Received: from smtp206.alice.it ([82.57.200.102]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZxXaR-0004pK-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:58:39 +0000 Received: from PCFausto (80.180.16.154) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 56139B8307230C03 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:57:18 +0100 Message-ID: <3C386F463D28484AA74889615A91FD91@PCFausto> From: "Fausto Coletti" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B286613@servigilant.vigilant.local> <0ADAA2ADD4844DA1B2EC8471B7B28629@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:57:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Scan-Signature: 8ebe6025b6827c1895957ab180d8d5b9 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01D11ECB.3AD92A00" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5058 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01D11ECB.3AD92A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham and all,=20 I do not know if it is possible and I do not know if Opera use the same = decoding sistem of JT65 but=20 for you it is possible that a ham receive some qsl card for 144 MHz EME = qso in JT65 when in his life=20 he never made a QSO via EME in 144 MHz.=20 Permit me some doubt about these "deep search" systems.=20 It seems very similar to those that make QSOs with callbbok.=20 As you can see I do not like the digital modes because I want to be a = fun to make a QSO and not my computer.=20 A digital QSO is a little how to send an SMS to a pretty girl instead of = taking her out to dinner.=20 Ok for the importance of automated systems for understanding the = propagation but when it is determined=20 that for a direction it is possible a QSO with traditional systems why = do not make a real QSO?=20 Every day when I read the email I see dozens and dozens of WSPR reports, = dozens and dozens of OPERA reports...=20 I rarely see a report of a real QSO,dozens and dozens of computers that = work all night while operators are sleeping.=20 Maybe I'm a purist as says Luis but honestly the satisfaction of a CW = QSO made by me and my key between the fingers,=20 although I am a average operator, is unmatched.=20 Maybe I'll never make a MF QSO with the US or Australia but I think that = if on the other side there is a well-equipped=20 station is not impossible.=20 Take the example of EA5DOM, yesterday for the first time used the CW on = 630m, does not seem to have had many=20 difficulties to make QSOs at distances similar to the WSPR reports that = has received so far.=20 Please forgive me, but this morning I woke up so ...=20 73, Fausto IK4NMF=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX on MF WSPR ''Not considered "real" decodes by the purists and so, garbaje = qualifyed'' So the belief structure is . ''Its possible for two stations to randomly detect the same = station call sign at exactly the same time'' =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01D11ECB.3AD92A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham and all,
 
I do not know if it is possible and I = do not know=20 if Opera use the same decoding sistem of JT65 but
for you it is possible that a ham = receive some qsl=20 card for 144 MHz EME qso in JT65 when in=20 his life
he never = made a QSO via EME = in 144 MHz.=20
 
Permit me some=20 doubt about these "deep search" systems. =
It=20 seems very similar to those that=20 make QSOs with = callbbok.
 
As you can see I do not like = the digital modes because I want to be a fun to make a QSO and not=20 my computer.=20
A digital QSO is a = little=20 how to send an SMS to=20 a pretty girl instead = of taking her out to dinner.=20
 
Ok for the=20 importance of automated=20 systems for understanding=20 the propagation but = when it=20 is determined=20
that for a=20 direction it is possible a=20 QSO with traditional = systems why do not make a real QSO?=20
 =
Every day=20 when I read the email I see dozens=20 and dozens of WSPR = reports, dozens and = dozens=20 of OPERA reports...=20
I = rarely=20 see a report of = a real QSO,dozens = and dozens of computers that=20 work all night while operators are=20 sleeping. =
Maybe I'm a purist as says Luis but=20 honestly the satisfaction of a CW QSO made by me and my key between the=20 fingers,=20
although I am a = average operator, is = unmatched.=20
 
Maybe I'll never=20 make a MF QSO with the US or Australia but I=20 think that if on the other=20 side there is a well-equipped=20
station is=20 not impossible.=20
 
Take the example = of EA5DOM, = yesterday for the first time = used the CW on=20 630m, does not = seem=20 to have had many=20
difficulties to make QSOs=20 at distances similar = to the WSPR = reports that  has received so = far.=20
 
Please=20 forgive me, but this morning I = woke=20 up so ...=20
 
73, Fausto = IK4NMF=20
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 = 7:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: FR5ZX = on MF=20 WSPR

''Not considered "real" decodes by = the purists=20 and so, garbaje qualifyed''
 
So  the  belief  = structure =20 is  .
 
 ''Its possible  = for  two  =20 stations  to  randomly  detect the  same =20 station  call  sign  at  exactly  the =20 same  time''   
 
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