Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11667 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 10:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 10:16:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29081 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 10:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 10:15:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 160gf3-0000W4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:07:21 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 160gf2-0000Vw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:07:20 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA391938 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:03:31 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.00) with ESMTP id fA5A63i87878 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3BE66466.F1BDFE8D@usa.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:05:26 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: spectrum 136kHz I2PHD/dj8wx References: <200111010724_MC3-414D-935B@compuserve.com> <001101c162d8$6ef36f30$0400000a@parissn2> <3BE31FFF.C0788E6E@usa.net> <160JaP-1LPangC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <3BE55DBA.BD1FB024@usa.net> <003101c1655e$a949c5c0$1bb51bca@xtr743187> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Vernall wrote: > Alberto and others, > > The most plausible explanation, as already mentioned on the reflector, is > that the lines come from the sampling rate of 8 kHz used by digital > telephone systems. There could be several telephone exchanges in a city and > while they likely have stable master oscillators, they are not necessarily > "locked". Telephone systems still use a lot of copper pairs, covering > kilometres of distance, so it would be feasible for some radiation to occur > for any high frequency spectral content in the telephone signal. > [...] Hello Bob, thanks for your message. Yes, I had read that explanation on the reflector, but I am still puzzled, as I live in a small village, and the local Telecom told me that ADSL will be available here not sooner than at least 6 months. And when they say 6 months, they mean not less than 12.... I asked my neighbors, but nobody has an ISDN line here. Just plain old analog. But ADSL and ISDN can be found in a nearby town, about 5 km from here. Given that today all telephone lines are buried, I am a bit skeptical about the possibility to receive the 17th harmonic of a signal passing in a buried line five kilometers from here. But in my life I have learnt that often reality defies intuition and reasoning... 73 Alberto I2PHD