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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Chris, Most is down to qth , I have good signals from EI/GI , can work with 25 watts ae feed , but out your way and over to EU , the odds stack up Mal gets good signals from EU , but you can see from previous beacon tests , land adds 10's of dB loss very quickly , costal effect may also slue bearings and produce shadow zones inland as well , with 75 miles ground range , its fine for local working in the day , much better than 160 .... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 55db901127f87fafbf8ae301dac99c44 Subject: Re: LF: NRRL proposal for a 630m Band Plan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01CE063F.28CC5870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf511567930a53 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CE063F.28CC5870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,=20 Most is down to qth , I have good signals from EI/GI , can = work with 25 watts ae feed , but out your way and over to EU = , the odds stack up =20 Mal gets good signals from EU , but you can see from previous = beacon tests , land adds 10's of dB loss very quickly , costal = effect may also slue bearings and produce shadow zones inland as = well , with 75 miles ground range , its fine for local working = in the day , much better than 160 .... =20 as wspr now has 2 audio bands , the original same dial set = qrg for opera/wspr is now defunct , unless only wspr 2 is = used , im not sure if 15 is really any use on 477 as looking at = Andys jnt coverage with 2 watts erp , its not extensive ? 2/4/8 = is about max , 8 could be too much , 6 could be better with the = 120 second qsb and similar flash times =20 added to that , the existing beacons are taking up a lot of = space ? 73 -G.. From: Chris=20 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: NRRL proposal for a 630m Band Plan Personally I don't think it's all bad in a limited sort of way. I would = welcome an agreement on (1) a section for individual beacons, and (2) a = defined section for QRSS. At the moment I haven't a clue where exactly = to monitor. The idea of moving QRSS away from the centre of the band = (but even nearer the bottom) is preferable. I am sure other mode = enthusiasts would find it more desirable/helpful to know where to = listen. Not so sure about the CW calling frequency so high though. I am surprised CW activity hasn't taken off to a larger extent though, I = regularly hear strong stations calling CQ over and over, getting no = replies. Not very encouraging. Chris, G4AYT. From: "traumwandler@sensemail.ch" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 8:24 Subject: LF: NRRL proposal for a 630m Band Plan Are you aware of this proposal? What do you think about it? 73 de Toni, HB9ASB Recommendation From the viewpoints of NRRL we would (at the time being) like to = present the following proposal for a 630 m IARU Region 1 bandplan: 472 - 479 kHz (630 m) 472 - 475 kHz CW only =E2=80=93 maximum bandwidth 200 Hz 472.000 - 472.150 CW Beacons only (IARU coordinated) 472.150 - 472.300 CW QRSS 472.600 CW DX Calling 474.750 CW Calling 475 - 479 kHz CW + digimodes =E2=80=93 maximum bandwidth 500 Hz Contests should be discouraged in this very narrow 630 m band = where radio amateurs are secondary users. Comment: NRRL feels that it will be premature to further subdivide = different digimodes. This may be better to do at the next conference, if necessary, after = considering experiences. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CE063F.28CC5870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
Most  is  down to  qth ,  I have  = good =20 signals  from  EI/GI    , can  work =20 with  25  watts  ae  feed  , but  = out =20 your  way and  over to  EU , the  odds  = stack =20 up 
 
Mal  gets  good  signals from  EU , but  = you =20 can  see  from  previous  beacon tests , land =20 adds   10's  of dB loss  very  quickly , = costal =20 effect  may  also  slue bearings  and  = produce =20 shadow zones  inland as well  , with  75 miles  = ground =20 range , its  fine  for  local  working  in = the =20 day  , much  better  than  160  ....  =
 
as  wspr  now  has  2  audio  bands , = the  original  same  dial  set  qrg  = for =20 opera/wspr  is  now  defunct  , unless  only=20  wspr  2  is  used , im not  sure  if = 15  is really   any  use  on 477 as  = looking =20 at  Andys jnt  coverage   with  2 =20 watts  erp  , its not extensive ?  2/4/8 is  about = max ,=20 8 could be   too  much , 6  could  = be =20 better  with the  120  second  qsb and similar  = flash  times 
 
added to  that  , the  existing  beacons =20 are  taking  up  a lot  of  space  ?
 
73 -G..
From: Chris
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: LF: NRRL proposal for a 630m Band = Plan

Personally I don't think it's all bad = in a limited=20 sort of way. I would welcome an agreement on (1) a section for = individual=20 beacons, and (2) a defined section for QRSS. At the moment I haven't a = clue=20 where exactly to monitor. The idea of moving QRSS away from the centre = of the=20 band (but even nearer the bottom) is preferable. I am sure other mode=20 enthusiasts would find it more desirable/helpful to know where to = listen. Not so=20 sure about the CW calling frequency so high though.
I am surprised CW activity hasn't taken = off to a=20 larger extent though, I regularly hear strong stations calling CQ over = and over,=20 getting no replies. Not very encouraging.
Chris, G4AYT.
From: "traumwandler@sensemail.ch"=20 "><traumwandler@sensemail.ch&= gt;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, = 8 February=20 2013, 8:24
Subject: LF:=20 NRRL proposal for a 630m Band Plan

Are you = aware of=20 this proposal?
What do you think about it?
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


Recommendation
From the viewpoints of NRRL we = would=20 (at the time being) like to present the
following proposal for = a 630 m=20 IARU Region 1 bandplan:
472 - 479 kHz (630 m)
472 - 475 = kHz  CW=20 only =E2=80=93 maximum bandwidth 200 Hz
    472.000 - = 472.150 =20 CW Beacons only (IARU coordinated)
    472.150 -=20 472.300  CW QRSS
    472.600      =  =20             CW DX Calling
  =  =20 474.750                =  =20   CW Calling
475 - 479 kHz  CW + digimodes =E2=80=93 = maximum=20 bandwidth 500 Hz
Contests should be discouraged in this very = narrow 630=20 m band where radio
amateurs are secondary = users.
Comment:
NRRL=20 feels that it will be premature to further subdivide different = digimodes.=20 This
may be better to do at the next conference, if necessary, = after=20 = considering
experiences.








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