Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20015 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 08:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 08:57:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29550 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 08:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 08:56:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14l5QP-0005X3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:47:29 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [213.2.16.106] (helo=rsgb.org.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14l5QM-0005Wy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:47:27 +0100 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.5.R) for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:41:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:41:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: LF Antennas Message-ID: <3ACC3DBD.29010.1B787E@localhost> In-reply-to: <14753488.986413695909.JavaMail.imail@chilly.excite.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G4CNN wrote: > Regarding the use of a high loading coil, Mike (XDV) comments: > > > It is also worth saying this is effective when the > part beyond the coil is quite > > small (as in your straight vertical diagrams). For an > antenna with substantial > > top loading, the gains and losses (caused by the much > large inductance > > needed) can cancel each other out. > > Perhaps I have misunderstood your point Mike, but this sounds wrong to me. > The less top loading, the greater the inductance required for resonance. > With little top loading above the high coil, a very large inductance is > required to have any effect, since the capacitive reactance will be > extremely high. A small coil will have little to no impact on this > reactance. > > It would appear to me that the reduction of high voltages in those parts of > the antenna that are near ground, trees, buildings, etc. is probably where > the most gain is made. Moving the current node up the antenna obviously > makes a difference, but the reduction in losses because of the lower > voltages is probably much more significant. The high voltages are still > there of course, but they are now confined to the top load, which hopefully > is well in the clear. Taking your own philosophy of experience being better that theory, the experience of myself and others is that a short antenna will benefit from an elevated coil much more than a long one. The argument about close-in absorption applied to both types of antenna. The point is that with, say, an inverted-L, the purpose of the horizontal section is to load the vertical section such that the =effective= height is maximised. A good size top section - perhaps 50m long - will already make the effective height very close to the physical height. Therefore the gain to be made is small. In this case the coil loss will probably be more than the gain available, unless a very low loss coil is used, and this can be too heavy or bulky to elevate. With a much shorter top section - mine is some 18m - the gains to be made from an elevated coil are much more, and greater than the coil loss. I agree that there is a point where there is a trade-off between coil loss and the inductance required, but I think is much less significant than the trade-off between effective height and coil loss. In any case, it works and that is the main thing. I have a 7mH elevated coil but it is quite lossy. My plan is to use my similar size 3mH Litz wire coil and load it with ferrite. This should be a better compromise between loss and height. 73 Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.lf.thersgb.net