Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3359 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14727 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 19:08:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VI4p-0007WS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:03:55 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [194.200.20.13] (helo=mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VI4o-0007WN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:03:54 +0000 Received: from userau78.netscapeonline.co.uk ([62.125.136.27] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 14VI0E-00023Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:59:11 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3A92A910.108E46E9@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:27:45 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: TR QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello all As John points out EME procedure(TMO reporting) means full callsigns and reports must be fully exchanged between the two parties at the time of contact, which does not mean days or weeks later when someone has put together bits and pieces of callsigns and reports. On the vhf and hf bands a qso also means the same thing but using the RST procedure. If I am correct, Larry claims the first transatlantic qso has taken place. Who made it ? and what rules applied ? TMO reporting or RST with full call signs exchanged. If this is not the case then what procedures were followed and who invented or agreed them. Since I am a keen LF operator with 21 countries worked to date on 136 khz and 167 on 160 metres I used the established RST procedure with full callsigns and reports exchanged and each qso lasted only a few minutes at the most. For a qso to be VALID regardless of circumstances we must stick to established procedures to be fair to all involved. The rules cannot be made up as we go along and LF is no different to obstacles encountered on other bands especially the very high GHZ bands and EME etc. Others involved in amateur radio and especially LF might like to express an opinion about what constitutes a valid qso. I can assure you that I am not the only one that thinks this way and I will be sticking to the established rules for any qso transatlantic or otherwise. 73 de Mal/G3KEV