Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17833 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 09:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 09:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9211 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 09:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 09:07:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14V8gm-00046A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:02:28 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from jaws.cisco.com ([198.135.0.150] helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14V8gk-00041K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:02:27 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (stbryant-isdn-home.cisco.com [10.49.137.202]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16073 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:59:21 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3A92315B.94DB01@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:57:00 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Signalling margins and Shannon, shud we move on? References: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D75CC@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> <3A9160B5.D9C9DE4D@usa.net> <002801c09acb$30ae6cf0$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Larry Kayser wrote: > Gentlemen: > > With the completion of the TransAtlantic QSO is it time to consider moving > on? I would hope that on reflection you do not feel the need to. The slow signal methods are just as much a part of LF operation as the conventional methods. You have only to look at submarine communications and deep space communications to understand that slow communications have a serious role to play in long distance comms. Also if you think back to the RSGB convention, there was one paper that suggested that we are massively overestimating the efficiency of our antennas. If that work holds up, then we will have to drop power to conform to the licience ERP condition, and the we may well find that slow weak signal methods are the only viable technique. 73 Stewart G3YSX