Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6814 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 17:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 17:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2951 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 17:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 17:30:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14PpCp-0007fM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:13:35 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from immtapop3.bellatlantic.net ([199.45.40.140]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14PpCo-0007fA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:13:34 +0000 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-117-14.bellatlantic.net [151.200.117.14]) by immtapop3.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29348; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:13:18 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3A7EDE6C.D537F511@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:10:05 -0500 From: "Andre' Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "lf, AMRAD" Subject: Re: LF: PLL / Loop antennas References: <5501.200102051521@gemini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > Re: Phase locked loops; Andre wrote- > > >"...the implementation of figure 8.6 has a resolution of 0.35 > > degrees. > > A fixed error in frequency means a constantly increasing error in phase. Suppose a phase locked loop has a reference frequency of 1MHz exactly, and is trying to lock a VCO which is running at 1.000001MHz. If both reference and VCO have the same phase at one particular moment, one cycle later the VCO will be leading in phase by 1e-6 cycles, or 0.00036 degrees, which may well be lost in the noise and other errors at the phase detector output. But after 2 cycles it will be 0.00072 degrees, after about 972 cycles, the accumulated phase error will be 0.35 degrees, and after 1000000 cycles it will be 360 degrees. However small the frequency error, over a long enough time the phase error will increase to the point where it becomes the dominant signal in the feedback loop - probably a rather small fraction of a second in the above example. Yes Jim, I agree entirely. That is why my original posting mentioned that whenever we insert a divider-by-N between VCO and phase detector, we must keep in mind that the VCO can drift N times more than the phase angle at the phase detector/comparator. That error may, or may not be significant. 73 Andre'