Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2000 17:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 10 Dec 2000 17:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 18960 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2000 17:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 10 Dec 2000 17:50:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 145AVP-0002io-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:43:23 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mail2.cpinternet.com ([204.220.140.3] helo=superior.cpinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 145AVN-0002ij-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:43:22 +0000 Received: from mlecmn.net (mlec-mcgregor5200-3-162.mlecmn.net [209.240.237.162]) by superior.cpinternet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15634; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:42:45 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3A33B48A.643C1EA7@mlecmn.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:51:22 -0600 From: "Lyle Koehler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stewart Nelson" Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@qth.net Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] Detection of QRSS ("LEK" raw data) References: <200012081559.KAA6713991@indyweb.cgocable.ca> <001b01c062a5$e30f98f0$0700000a@parissn2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In simple terms, yes, LEK chirps. Now for the long version: My PLL circuit exhibits a slight amount of frequency pulling during keying for several reasons. Probably the biggest factor is power supply instability, which is always present even though separate regulators are used for the PLL and the rest of the circuit. The box which houses my exciter includes the synthesizer, keyer (although an external keyer is presently being used for QRSS) and a complementary pair "final". The real final amplifier is at the other end of 100 feet of coax, so the final amplifier in the exciter box is just acting as a line driver. But the driver does take some current, which pulls down the supply line to the PLL circuit regulator a tiny bit, which introduces a little bit of frequency shift. I also have an LED on the front panel of the exciter that blinks on and off with the keying, and that puts an additional load of 10 mA or so on the main supply during key-down conditions. Everything adds up. There are at least two other sources of frequency shift. The switch that I use to select the internal or external keyer is on the front panel, very close to the loop filter components. Even though the 5-volt keying signal is nearly DC, it does of course have AC components during the rise and fall time, and these couple electrostatically into the loop filter. Adding a bit of shielding a couple of years ago reduced this source of frequency shift to a fairly low value. Finally, any oscillator (mechanical, electronic or laser) will tend to pull when a signal at the same frequency is fed back with a varying phase and/or amplitude. In fact, any oscillator will "lock" to an external source over a small but finite frequency range. Some small amount of signal from the keyed output of the driver stage inevitably finds its way back into the oscillator, so there will always be some phase pulling because of the RF feedback effect. In BPSK mode, the frequency shift due to power supply fluctuations is minimal because the load is essentially constant, but the RF feedback problem is worse because of the phase reversals. In addition to the frequency shift associated with keying, there is the plain old phase noise of the oscillator in my PLL circuit itself. LEK's homebrew synthesizer uses an L-C oscillator in the HF range that gets divided down to the output frequency. PLL circuits based on the R-C oscillator in the CD4046 or 74HC4046 chip are much noisier. I use the trick of listening to the harmonics to see how bad the phase noise of a particular synthesizer really is. Another piece of "test equipment" that is useful for this purpose is the vector scope in some of the PSK31 decoder programs. In trying to determine which manufacturer's 4046 chips were the least noisy in my "all-in-one" transmitter design, I used the vector scope while tuned to the 10th harmonic of the LF signal. None of them looked very good, although the National (no longer available) and Phillips CD4046 chips were the best. On 10m, they all sound awful, but fortunately there is little apparent degradation in copy on LF using QRSS or C-BPSK at MS100. I am actually surprised that LEK's chirp isn't greater than what you measured. As for fixing it, throwing away the entire existing circuit and replacing it with a DDS might do the trick. There is somewhere between zero and no chance that I'll do that this season, but it's interesting to speculate on what coherent detection could do for us. 73 Lyle, K0LR http://www.computerpro.com/~lyle