Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16842 invoked from network); 21 May 2000 17:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 May 2000 17:51:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12tZlx-0007Cj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:44:17 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.200.20.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12tZlw-0007Ce-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:44:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [195.44.215.149] (helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12tZls-0006sS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:44:13 +0000 Message-ID: <39280E9F.3D6B9CA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:28:15 +0000 From: "g3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Puckeridge test 3 References: <000a01bfc249$66334360$72d499d4@w8k3f0> <001c01bfc256$5c0e99e0$dc799fd4@f9.net.uk> <000201bfc30b$fe010700$1efb88d4@w8k3f0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dick Rollema wrote: > >From PA0SE > > Dave, G3YXM wrote: > > > Dick and all. > > > > Very puzzling! > > I worked Jim straight after you and found exactly the opposite..... 4dB > > better on the "small" antenna. We tried the test twice and I continued to > > listen, each time it was the same. > > Directional? > > Which side of the big mast was the little antenna I wonder? > > > > 73. Dave G3YXM. > > Dave and All, > > There is a simple explanation. > I was very busy doing the measurements, changing the receiver input from > aerial to signal generator and back, reading levels etc. > I therefore did not listen carefully to what Jim was sending (experienced > telegraphists can do a job and copy CW at the same time but I am far > removed from that category) You certainly FOOLED us all but you are not the only one that cannot copy cw on LF > . So I assumed that the bigger signal came from > the bigger aerial. Rather foolish of course and I apologize for that. > > So the S8 (-79dBm) signal I reported must have been from the small aerial > and the 4dB > weaker signal (-83dBm) from the Decca aerial. > > That is 30dB less than the signal from G3WSC/P operating from Puckeridge on > April 16 at 1000 UTC. G3WSC/P at that time reported an aerial current of > 9A. > In his e-mail of May 18, 15.54, Jim announced he was going to run an aerial > current of 0.34A into the Decca aerial. That is a difference of > 20log(9/0.34) = 28.5dB; within 1.5dB of my measured values. That confirms I > got the two aerials mixed up. > > Assuming that at the distance of 317km between our locations the inverse > distance law is still applicable my measured field strength of 8.6µV/m > yields a radiated power by the small aerial of 83mW, close to the 80mW Jim > was aiming at. > For the Decca aerial I find 33mW. > > Up to now (0951 UTC I have heard no signal from Jim on 73kHz. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > This was my earlier report: > > > To All from PA0SE > > > > At 0955 today I worked Jim, M0BMU/P at the Puckeridge station. > > On the Decca antenna his signal was exactly S8; corresponding to a field > > strength of 8.6 microvolt/metre. > > On the "amateur antenna" the signal was 4dB weaker. > > > > I reported the signal exhibited a fast fluctuation in strength with a > > frequency of a few hertz. But I later found out it was my signal generator > > interfering with Jim's signal. even with the output turned down to zero. > >It shows that even a HP606B is not perfectly screened! > > > > 73, Dick, PA0SE