Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26123 invoked from network); 26 May 2001 12:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 26 May 2001 12:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 1713 invoked from network); 26 May 2001 12:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 May 2001 12:44:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 153dM4-0004af-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2001 13:39:40 +0100 Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 153dM3-0004aY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2001 13:39:39 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bronty ([199.172.153.112]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010526123833.LUKF3984.gigi.excite.com@bronty> for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 05:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3901590.990880713527.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: CME with a "Glancing pass near Earth"? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 62.253.64.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Larry, Just some idle speculation: If we assume that CMEs are directed directly away from the centre of the sun, which seems reasonable, and we know the initial diameter of the cloud, its rate of expansion and the velocity away from the sun, it is a simple matter to calculate how far the edge of the cloud will be from the Earth, when it passes us. The initial size might be a problem, but if clouds grow to many times that size by the time they reach us, we can ignore it. The main question is the rate of expansion and the velocity of the cloud. This information can probably be gleaned from previous CMEs. I seem to recall that it takes 3 or 4 days to reach us, which gives a velocity of about 1 to 1.3 million mph and at a guess we may assume the same rate of expansion. To miss the Earth by 7.5 million miles, the angle away from the sun-earth line is approx arctan((93+7.5)/93), i.e. about 47 degrees. As viewed from the Earth, the CME must start from outside a circle of about .73 of the visible diameter to miss the Earth by the required amount. Or to put it another way the probabability of any arbitrary CME missing the Earth by that amount is approx 80%. A more reliable method might be to look through the statistics available on the Internet from places like: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov 73 John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/