Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26400 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2000 19:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 29 Mar 2000 19:21:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12aNrb-0008W4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:10:47 +0100 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.15]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12aNrW-0008TE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:10:42 +0100 Received: from [202.27.178.56] by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000329190956.XAKT10049812.mta4-rme@[202.27.178.56]> for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:09:56 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <38E2530F.622F@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:01:35 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Amp metres References: <000201bf98ec$a45b1680$0da4883e@lvm> <01c501bf98ff$0c451680$6b884fd1@tractorb> <38E1D278.C14B4291@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: g3kev wrote: snip snip > At this frequency with both antennas resonant on 136 khz on the same site, the > induced rf from the small vertical into the larger one would distort any > meaningful tests. The antennas would need to be sited several kilometres apart, > when co located one would need to be dismantled while the other one is tested. > I have already tested this by starting off with a 60 ft vertical and progressing > to 120 ft and it certainly made a big difference for the same given rf power > output. Signal reports all over europe confirm this. > G3KEV One fairly basic approach is that the far field is a function of antenna "amp metres". If the amps are the same, and the effective height is increased, then there is an obvious gain. It is far easier to arrive at a given product of amps and metres in a tall antenna! Changing from 60 to 120 feet, with the same pattern of current distribution, would give a gain of 6 dB for the same applied current. This is for one antenna in the environment, with no mutual coupling to something large nearby. An amateur regulatory constraint of 1 watt eirp limit starts to bite in to the transmitter power budget for taller (more efficient) antenna systems. Bob ZL2CA