Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9783 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12GoRN-0003Fi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:30:49 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.15]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12GoRL-0003Fd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:30:48 +0000 Received: from [203.96.99.205] by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000204193030.ISXJ3352759.mta4-rme@[203.96.99.205]> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:30:30 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <389B289A.6939@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:29:30 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz / Soundcards References: <5980.200002041455@gemini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: snip snip > Since soundcards and software like Spectrogram have many other > uses to radio amateurs apart from reading QRSS, it would be > interesting to know if any data exists about the dynamic range & > spurious responses of the soundcard/software combination - does > anyone have any information? Also bear in mind the performance of the audio stages in the radio receiver feeding the sound card. Some time back I was testing IF filters in a receiver, viewing demodulated output for feeding wideband noise to the RF input, and the sound card "spectrum analyser" gave a false indication compared to doing the test at RF. On investigating, the explanation was that harmomic distortion in the audio stages was where the "apparent funny response" was arising. As the sound card was intended for "hi fi stereo" it was better performing for distortion and intermod than my receiver audio lineup. Also there is unlikely to be no hum from the receiver PSU being impressed on the audio output. I came to a conclusion that the sound card was good at indicating filter PASSBANDS, but suspect for indicating steep skirts and stop bands. Audio noise and intermod can easily fill in deep notches on an IF response as indicated on the PC display. I have never been happy about the "lines" on the very low frequency end of a spectrogram display with no audio fed to a sound card (irrespective of whether the audio is open, shorted or 600 ohms shielded load). This is some sort of low frequency switching breakthrough in the sound card itself, and varies between specific cards (and probably with sampling rate on the card?). As my PC was under warranty I did not fiddle about with it, but in due course I may try added shielding and filtering of power supply rails. Some PCs have the "sound card" implemented on the motherboard, so fiddling would be more difficult with those. Sound card application programmes are generally good, but be cautious in the interpretation of audio domain displays when attempting to use it for RF testing. 73, Bob ZL2CA