Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18356 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2000 20:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 Jan 2000 20:11:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AIM3-00024U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:02:23 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.200.20.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AIM2-00024P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:02:22 +0000 Received: from [195.44.222.182] (helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AILy-0006HH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:02:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3883DD26.FA81563C@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:25:26 -0800 From: "g3kev" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE and DK8KW field strength observations combined References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike Dennison wrote: > DK8KW wrote: > > On the other hand, there is Vaino's (OH2LX) comment, that according to his > > long-lasting experience it is not possible to estimate a station's ERP > > from the field strength at a far distance ... > > > > Well, that's the point I was trying to find out. I wondered whether I > could calculate my ERP from your graph, and plainly I could not. > But is this Vaino's theory, or something else. If we could sort this > one out, it would validate (or more likely quantify) Mal's comment > that 1W ERP from a small antenna will be worse than the same ERP > from a large one - at a distance of course > Good suggestion and basic theory/practical applications dictates that the > higher antenna must certainly be better in all respects. You must already have > heard about the amateur who loaded his LF rig into a 10 km farmers fence and > got the perfect match but COULD NOT RADIATE THE SIGNAL BEYOND A FEW METRES. > Had he used a vertical antenna configuration at say 40 meters high he would > have radiated the signal possible 2000 k/metres and more. Commercial stations > even with their MEGAWATTS use extremely high antennas towers up to 350 metres > and maybe higher. Why do they bother if they could get away with a piece of > wire a few metres above the ground. The league table approach separates the MEN from the BOYS hi !!! and hopefully encourages the BOYS to get into MANHOOD !!!!! You do not need a lot of REAL ESTATE for vertical antennas, a few square metres is all that is required, any small back garden is ideal. A 5 section STRUMECH 100 ft tower has a base area of 1metre sq. - No more excuses about small back yards. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > All very interesting indeed. Although some people dislike the league > table approach, I personally find these measurements very useful in > my own ongoing efforts to get a good signal out of a small garden. > And comparing my efforts to those of other people is a good way to > keep up my enthusiasm to do better. > > Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) > http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm