Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23435 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 20:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 20:55:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 129DdO-00013A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:47:50 +0000 Received: from ins23.netins.net ([167.142.225.23] helo=smtp-out.netins.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 129DdM-000135-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:47:49 +0000 Received: from netins.net (desm-24-56.dialup.netins.net [167.142.21.185]) by smtp-out.netins.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04391 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:47:44 -0600 (CST) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <387F8B6F.A985F270@netins.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:47:43 -0600 From: "Tom Gruis, Ed.D." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 35 km band References: <000401bf5eb7$87adbe80$af5d97d4@win95.swipnet.se> <4.2.0.58.20000114192216.00a8ee80@pop.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: 100%. I meant to be brainstorming more than advising. Doc. Rob Gill wrote: > > At 12:25 14/01/00 -0600, Tom Gruis, Ed.D. wrote: > > >You might also check out "cave radio" and spelunkers (Sp.?) pages. I > >have read articles in the past about these frequencies. One thing that > >comes quickly to mind is direct loop to loop transmission. > > The problem with loop to loop operation at these frequencies is that is > subject to the inverse cube law of magnetic induction rather than an > inverse square law. A few hundred metres is a useful range for a cave radio > but the power required for greater range very quickly becomes impractical. > > The "earth bi-pole" approach of John Taylor G0AKN, referred to by Andre' > Kesteloot a few days ago, may be a better approach at these frequencies > (ref: the exchanges regarding the AMRAD Antenna about a week ago). This > technique is now frequently used for cave radio purposes with significantly > greater range when one or both of the inductive loop antennas is replaced > with an "earth-current" antenna. Cave radios generally operate at 73kHz or > above rather than audio frequencies. > > I know that John has recently experimented with some success at audio > frequencies, and I think he monitors this mail reflector. I'm sure he would > be happy to offer advice on antennas for the 35km band. > > Rob > > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > Rob Gill, Cave Radio and Electronics Group > 61 Cross Deep Gardens, Twickenham, Middlesex > TW1 4QZ, England > email: creg@bcra.org.uk > +------------------------------------------------------------------------+