Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16977 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 06:35:47 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 06:35:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 7517 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 06:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 06:35:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11ohGX-0004g4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:11:25 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11ohGW-0004fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:11:25 +0000 Received: from [202.27.178.195] by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991119061507.KZST1070594.mta2-rme@[202.27.178.195]> for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:15:07 +1300 Message-ID: <3834D4CC.4FFB@xtra.co.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:40:44 +1300 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Tuned Counterpoise References: <000001bf3221$9df2ae20$c79a6dc2@v3q4v1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, I think I have mentioned some of this previously on this reflector site, but I can summarise the points: - a tuned counterpoise (when correctly tuned) could be thought of as being opposite in phase to the top part of the antenna, so the electric flux has an affinity to terminate on the tuned counterpoise rather than return via ground (at neutral potential). - as the ground is lossy, arranging for currents to return by low loss tuned radials is indeed an efficiency gain - I have seen diagrams of commercial LF tuners with tuned counterpoise where the connection to ground is taken from a selected tapping point on the loading coil, and selecting the tapping point for minimum ground current is the same as the condition for maximum efficiency (and it may need to be adjusted on-site, not predicted by theory). - I'm not sure if it is valid to say that the antenna proper and the tuned counterpoise form a net series resonant circuit, but that is my personal view. I also suspect that separate tuning of the top part and counterpoise, then connecting as a system, would generally require complete retuning, due to the mutual coupling. - In most amateur antenna situations (modest height and size), running a tuned counterpoise is a nuisance for having a "trip wire". If the counterpoise is supported at a safe height (above head height) it probably detracts significantly from the effective height of the antenna system, so may not be a total gain compared to no tuned counterpoise. Bob ZL2CA