Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17284 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 09:40:01 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 09:40:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 29338 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 08:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 08:45:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Wbaj-0006YK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:29:29 +0100 Received: from mail04.hostcenter.com ([195.186.64.57]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Wbai-0006YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:29:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from www303.hostcenter.com (195.186.64.84) by mail04.hostcenter.com (RS ver 1.0.51) with SMTP id 018783 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:29:16 +0200 (MDT) Message-ID: <37F32372.2CE556F3@phonakcom.ch> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:46:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Toni Baertschi" Organization: Phonak Communications AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,de-CH,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: receivers and filters References: <008401bf0ab3$17e3ebe0$16fbabc3@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Alan, for LF I'm using a commercial US-rig, the Harris RF590. I like it because of it's extremely high frequency stability, high immunity against strong signals (IMD), the 1Hz read out and the low tuning rate (100Hz per revolution) which gives me the illusion of a LF-band as large as 40m, hi. But I got the rig also with a Collins 500Hz/455kHz filter (commercial equipment manufacturers are specifying filter BW often at -3dB and this gives you the illusion to have a 300Hz filter, but in fact it is 500Hz at -6dB) For a better separation of the stations in the narrow LF-band, I replaced it with the FL53A from ICOM. This is a very steep XTAL-filter (unfortunately also very expensive!) and I took no special measures for impedance matching. Drawbacks of the Harris RF590 are: operation also a little bit complicated (commercial radio operators have other needs) and a blow by in the IF-filtering (at least in my version) due to poor design, but fortunately it was easy to modify. I also tried other commercial surplus from Racal, Rockwell-Collins, Watkins-Johnson R&S and Telefunken. They are all very similar when developed in the same period (they all had to fulfill the same MIL standards, I guess). As an additional audio filter I'm using the DSP599zx from Timewave, where I can go down to 10Hz BW (-3dB) if necessary and as matter of fact some CW QSO have only be possible by using this filter and BW between 10 and 35Hz (as the QSO last weekend with G3XDV). Listening to such a filter is not pleasant. They usually don't ring but the filter noise is close to the tone of the expected signal. And of course there is a big gap between theory and practice: the improvement by such a filter is far from the theoretical value! Often I use instead of the DSP-Unit a passive home-brew LC-filter between the RX and the headphones. It's a bandpassfilter with a 11 element Chebyshev LP and a 9 element HP. not so narrow (200Hz), but very pleasant to listen, even under heavy QRN. Finally I have to say that it is not necessary to employ commercial receivers for good results. I've heard most of the UK stations also on my Drake R4B (old tube rig) with home-brew converter (just LPF, Osc and Diode ring mixer) and the above mentioned passive audio filter. The sound is very pleasant (one of the best AGC's I know - better than Collins and most of the mentioned commercial rigs!). The only inconvenience is the lack of frequency accuracy, 73 de Toni