Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10247 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 09:56:15 -0000 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by murphys.force9.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 09:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8495 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 09:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 09:54:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LNwm-0007N3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:41:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LNwj-0007My-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:41:51 +0100 Received: from [203.96.101.214] by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990830094534.HRXS3442178.mta1-rme@[203.96.101.214]> for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:45:34 +1200 Message-ID: <37CA502E.16C@xtra.co.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:34:38 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Loops - current measurements References: <199908290215_MC2-82C5-1427@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Sergeant wrote: > At first I thought much of this loss was due to the series loss resistance > of the matching capacitors (Philips 376) but further calculations from the > datasheets shows this not to be the case, as this is only around 50 > milliohms. What I need is an accurate formula for calculating the skin > effect resistance of the wire. The 98 ARRL handbook has a 'rough guide' > formula which would increase the resistance by a factor of around 3.5, > which is not enough, unless there is another effect I have overlooked. I understand from measurements made by Andrew ZL2BBJ, who uses a transmitting loop, that the effective resistance of the wire is increased not only by skin effect, but also by induction losses into lossy ground. The "eddy currents" in the ground reflect a small resistance into the loop impedance. Even a "big diameter tube" for a loop antenna can not avoid the induced ground losses (at practical heights above ground). Bob ZL2CA