Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25193 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 21:37:59 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:37:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 25875 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 20:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 20:40:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118rMu-00027S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:29:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mda.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.3] helo=mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118rMt-00027G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:29:03 +0100 Received: from [202.27.181.142] by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990726203131.NGDP956294.mta2-rme@[202.27.181.142]> for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:31:31 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <379CC40B.68FF@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:24:43 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ground systems and first tuning results References: <3798E3DD.2907@xtra.co.nz> <3799079F.172A@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Edited parts of what Hans-Joachim Brandt wrote: > For LF I can use either the house ground, which is also connected to the water > pipe net, or a radial ground made of 28 insulated litz wires with lengths > between 12 meters and 30 meters depending on the available space in that > direction. > > When working on this radial system and continuously measuring the feed point > resistance under resonance conditions, however, I could not confirm Bobs remark > that metal stakes at the far ends would give an improvement. At my QTH, I too did not notice any difference in "before" and "after" connection of outer end earth stakes (but I left them connected anyway :) >At least on my > insulated radial system the feed point resistance increased. Especially with > rather few radial wires the radial ground had been very sensitive against any > ground connection, including a simple earthstake connected to the centre of the > system. After the number of radials had approached 18 the earth stake > (just a few inches deep) connection to the centre could be tolerated, but never > the connection to the house ground. Once I have tried to elevate all my radials > about one foot from the ground: The feedpoint resistance remained the same, I > needed more inductivity in the variometer, and the sensitivity to any connection > to ground even increased! This sensitivity obviously depends of the capacity of > the insulated radial system to ground. I use buried bare copper radials. However, regarding above-the-gound insulated radials, like those mentioned, the explanation could be that the "return flux" finds it easier and lower loss to return as current to the antenna feedpoint via the copper, which being insulated from ground, has no possibility of contacting lossy soil. Further, when selected (tuned) inductors are used between the feedpoint and insulated radials, then it becomes even more attractive for the "return flux" to terminate on the wire rather than ground, as with "tuning" the insulated radials can be "-" potential when the driven antenna is "+" potential, and the soil somewhat neutral potential. I have seen some diagrams of commercial stations where the connection to actual earth is tapped from the central part of the loading coil, and apparently adjusted for least current in the connection to ground. Least "wasted current" to ground likely concurs with highest antenna efficiency with most current collected by the low resistance insulated radials. As already mentioned, being "antiphase", they can attract more flux than if they were neutral. This favours above-the-ground radials, and more complicated tuning, however in most domestic situations these type of radials become a severe nuisance for tripping over, cursing the designer, etc :( Cheers, Bob ZL2CA