Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.133]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-865c4c272d5031c; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:52:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7CAE4380000E6; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OSpR9-0007xP-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:50:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OSpR8-0007x7-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:50:06 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate06.web.de ([217.72.192.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OSpR8-00039B-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:50:06 +0100 Received: from mwmweb036 ( [172.20.18.45]) by fmmailgate06.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528933AAAA0 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:50:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [88.76.63.67] by mwmweb036 with HTTP; Sun Jun 27 12:50:00 CEST 2010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:50:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <365914936.1283686.1277635800331.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb036> References: <4C23FC42.8040204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de><4C25AE1F.7060807@gmx.com> , <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C68@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UI-Message-Type: mail In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C68@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Priority: 3 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fod+xvdKBRneC5/np+YkZa7VmH/j7azei5ipzuqCpyos/qCSVL1Xn tL4O1YJgb/4Dn72CrSJ/9Eb9ZKDB/tNm/6gbJW7wLM+ft3rCN0AfAQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB1571.3C6F0846" Subject: VLF: New test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854c272d4a776c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB1571.3C6F0846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-ATTACHMENT-ID-POSTFIX: ad9edd84-7818-48dc-9a12-4082209064bd Hell Roger, Dreamers, yesterday I tried to reproduce Rogers experiments with VLF transmissions= over the local gas and water mains. I connected one wire to the equipotential busbar of my house. The other wi= re is connected to a 60cm copper rod in about 15m distance in the garden= - very similar to Rogers setup. I measured about 180 ohm DC. I tried diff= erent frequencies below 9kHz with an audio transformer. The "walk around" reception was very disappointing, just a few meters. No= way to receive something walking down the street even 100 meters. Because of the relatively good ground conductivity here it is not surprisi= ng that the setup does not work as a ground loop. But I had expectected so= me induction along the mains like at Rogers QTH. As I do not assume that gas and water pipes of my house are all isolated= from the pipes in the street there is just one explanation: The good grou= nd conductivity. After that I tried to reproduce the test with the 100m earth base I did so= me weeks ago. I could hear my signal (Or was it a false signal.) at about= 500m. This time also nearly nothing - like at my very first test with an= 30m earth base in my garden. I had assumed that after some hot sommer days without rain the ground cond= uctivity would be lower and the results with my earth antenna would be bet= ter. It seems my QTH ist not suitable for earth antenna tests at all. To verify that I next took my T-antenna (10h20t) and the TV transformer.= The result: Still audible signal in 100m distance. So I assume that groun= d conductivity has not changed very much since my previous tests. Assuming that the T-antenna would work worse after some hot days without= rain I was surprised by that. To verify that I will leave the busbar supported earth base installed so= I can measure any time, especially after the next heavy rain. I know that= measuring Ohm DC is not measuring ground counduktivity or even impedance.= But it will give a glimpse of how of the influence of weather and humidit= y at my QTH. The last test was more for fun. I connected my 2x27m Inverted Vee and the= both (13m) Wireman cores to the TV transformer instead of the T-antenna.= Dispite of more than the double of wire this works worse. So I found conf= irmed what I hat learned about T-antennas and top loadings: not as Inverte= d V. This tests have shown the limits of what is possible at my home QTH on VLF= . The next step will be QRSS tests instead of audible CW. On our field day 23.-25. July I will test the 800m earth base in JO30ON (E= rpeler Ley). Distance to Stefans Grabber is 160 km, to Markus 300km. Possi= bly it will be my first successful far field test. vy73 Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN. ___________________________________________________________ WEB.DE DSL ab 19,99 Euro/Monat. Bis zu 150,- Euro Startguthaben und=20 50,- Euro Geldpr=C3=A4mie inklusive! https://freundschaftswerbung.web.de ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB1571.3C6F0846--