Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ab649fe987bc3; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:26:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab649fe987bc3; Mon, 04 May 2009 03:25:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sX7-0005Xv-M1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0sX6-0005Xm-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:12 +0100 Received: from web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([87.248.110.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0sX6-0002P7-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:24:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 9675 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 07:23:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1241421786; bh=yFzKZgOVI0WmKQI/LEZUPD5vq5T6rDqbYgaCs9l50y4=; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wenm9Lv0D0ttkr1ACg4habfGYtwuZAy9YGYebFpGk+aRrVQ4ItxhUKGdzgVL8VcPdviUdhT01d4ikSYLySxNKXdg0YxUHM/skwLrxU9KjwH6T1LkiLsSmwxglQozPuoqNaNtSy9Z4AhmIoImtom3Vaj+rr3V3fWWm9Qa+vleCu8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6H2rVKRdEu+X/1ynq+++oK+JFIbdFqtH4FcvUidewzYycVP3TDsc7f3K2ChSr51vNkmJEDsc3arvZMmr2f2lSTzwoOKB4fL2NxiQmG4ezh92ts/6LNJde+oybpP7uGXojbGsPGDODQJMBBdvg3H6komrGaXFb9S25c+GXB4HV4g=; Message-ID: <341055.8010.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.6.43.68] by web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:23:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.35 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:23:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008001c9cc2c$084162e0$0900a8c0@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m239.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan. I've spent ages trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas. I completely rebuilt the unit, even using a new ferrite rod. The front end tuning was very sharp and I subsequently added another=20 RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up as it drifted. Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circuit to lower the Q and flatten the response. I did the usual trick of blowing with a drinking straw on various components and the front end capacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added RF amp tuning control. I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end and inject= a signal. I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit. Thanks again es 73 Chris XIZ ________________________________ From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Hi Chris the following things occur to me to try 1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so is probably more likely to show changes in input (gate-source) current with temperature. The input current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a BF981 which are readily available. 2 At a lower level of probability the permiability of ferrite changes with temperature. I would not that to be anything like so great as problem though. I hope that helps to solve the problem. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed LF, I've just rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook), modified for use on the 500 kHz band. I've followed the published circuit as near as possible considering available components, the differences being: a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of the published varicaps. b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead of dual gate mosfets. c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite rod instead of the published LW coil. I have made a decent Helmholtz coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet the field strength meter's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and can vary up to 30 %. I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem as I've spent hours trying to correct it. 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-1256213526-1241421786=:8010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks for the prompt suggestions Alan.
I've spent a= ges trying to sort the problem and have now run out of ideas.
I completely rebuilt the unit, even=20= using a new ferrite rod.

The front end tuning was very sharp and I su= bsequently added another
RF tuning control (varicap + pot) to peak it up= as it drifted.
Also I've placed a 220 k resistor across the tuned circui= t to lower the Q
and flatten the response.

I did the usual trick o= f blowing with a drinking straw on various components
and the front end c= apacitors seemed to be the culprits hence the added
RF amp tuning control= .

I'll try a BF981 as you suggest and also disconnect the front end a= nd inject a signal.
I'll hunt around for a BF960 as shown in the original circuit.

Thanks again es 73

Chris XIZ

From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.co= m>
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Sent: Sun= day, 3 May, 2009 21:00:26
Subject:<= /span> LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed

Hi Chr= is the following things occur to me to try
1 the 2N3819 is a juction fet=20= not a mosfet (as with Dick original design) so
is probably more likely to= show changes in input (gate-source) current with
temperature. The input=20= current of a mostfet will be negligable. I cant
remember what the original device was but if a 40673 for instance try a
BF981 which are re= adily available.

2 At a lower level of probability the permiability o= f ferrite changes with
temperature. I would not that to be anything like=20= so great as problem
though.

I hope that helps to solve the problem= .

Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Osborn"=20= <g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subj= ect: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed


LF,

I've jus= t rebuilt PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenters' Handbook),
modi= fied for use on the 500 kHz band.

I've followed the published circuit= as near as possible considering
available components,
the differences being:
a) I have used a small variable capacitor instead of=20= the published varicaps.
b) I used a JFET 2N3819 in the front end instead=20= of dual gate mosfets.
c) Obviously I now use the MW coil of the ferrite r= od instead of the
published LW coil.

I have made a decent Helmholt= z coil which gives a stable magnetic field yet
the
field strength mete= r's output voltage is very dependent on temperature and
can vary up to30 %.

I would be most grateful for any advice on curing this problem= as I've spent
hours trying
to correct it.

73 Chris G3XIZ





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