Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u27EjDCL028426 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:45:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1acwMA-0006kD-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:41:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1acwMA-0006k4-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:41:58 +0000 Received: from rgout0102.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1acwM8-000170-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 14:41:57 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 81.129.182.138 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Suspect: true X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090204.56DD9331.003C,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (81.129.182.138) by rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 56B9DEA202E306FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 14:41:53 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1457361716; bh=obG49KYa0RWpgFY+Oe0cc3JYT20lD4KqBzoaoUA7jZA=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=d+eLyNqozifwKY0RxN+jQ3Zdm5I3scfVDv7fWJnbFAL4o/LH+xUd/OFbi/Yh7N+0zU7jdXPfPmm6zFP0bClrPInAKOH2zWRf8yi5YIzp2bD9/pY2b+JnjBsX5cGG5Ag9cULzUTPf+6sOaSCb9p9e3m4CmpmGqNdthI0FuQvqtBw= Message-ID: <33F556AD1F19422D8F4FCD2AC416A389@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <8D3450D43313D4D-1358-E77F@webmail-vd003.sysops.aol.com> <56DC29C8.3010604@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD4BF@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be>, <56DD2595.5040506@no3m.net> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD7D8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be>, <56DD5A82.70203@posteo.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A444DD9C8@ICTS-S-MBX1.luna.kuleuven.be> <878C5DCAC99E4A8CBC810148F581CCF3@Clemens0811> <835C37DA1E44499CBF2FD7CCC220CAB3@MichaelSappPC> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 14:41:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 783e848a630124d13ae6ef06c152f951 Subject: Re: LF: WG2XWS false decode Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7242 Thanks Michael, That confirms my caution about accepting spots at face value. I suspect once a False Decode has been registered/uploaded it becomes available as an actiive station in the list for other stations to test against. Hence increasing the possibility of more false decodes. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sapp" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 2:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: WG2XWS false decode > Hi All: > > The WG2XWS call is in the FCC data base as issued to Northrop Grumman > and based in Georgetown NJ. It appears to be a false decode > even though more than one station reported it in the WSPR data base. As > for the reported DH89 grid square, there is a very small chance one of > those Easter Island Moai's was bootlegging ~:) > > > It was nice to see DK7FC decode the other evening. > > 04:54 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6636 298 > > Comparison to WG2XJM's decodes and SNRs is about typical for Eric's large > RX arrays (Circle 8 or phased beverages) vs my > > small garden EWE antenna. Eric's QTH is about 75~80 miles north of me. > > 73 Mike wa3tts > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Paul" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:35 AM > Subject: RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night > > >> Hi Rik, >> >> thanks for obeservations and for evaluating the somewhat mysterious >> propagation >> on MW into JN68. >> There were other nights when even DH5RAE and DL0ABR didn't spot TA >> stations >> and I was the only one in Europe. >> >> 2016-02-16 05:08 WG2XXM 0.475711 -25 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ >> JN68kj 8406 40 >> 2016-02-16 05:16 WG2XXM 0.475711 -29 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ >> JN68kj 8406 40 >> 2016-02-18 05:44 WG2XPJ 0.475702 -26 0 FN34lp 1 DL4RAJ >> JN68kj 6228 53 >> 2016-02-19 05:46 WG2XKA 0.475723 -24 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ >> JN68kj 6292 53 >> >> But then there are nights when only Roelof,PA0RDT or Joe,DF2JP spot TA >> stations. >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 1:51 PM >>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Subject: RE: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >>> >>>Hi Stefan, all, >>> >>> >>> >>>to get the facts right: there were many other EU's "listening" >>>at that time (> 30), but any one (you) at less than 500 km >>>from the JN68 group. >>> >>>So it's not sure how focussed the propagation was. But is >>>nevertheless remarkable that serval other Eu's that are known >>>to have "good ears" didn't copy any TA last night. >>> >>> >>> >>>BTW, in my earlier list I did miss the 05:02 UTC copy at >>>DL4RAJ, the complete sequence is: >>> >>> >>> >>>2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >>>2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 -30 0 EM15lj 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 >>>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -8 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >>>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >>>2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0 DM33xt 5 DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 >>>2016-03-07 05:12 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ JN68kj 9367 33 >>> >>> >>>2016-03-07 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 >>> >>> >>> >>>It seems that the propagation peaked at +/- 05:00 UTC. >>> >>>The fact that DL4RAJ copied most of it is probably due to his >>>"good ears" (last night DL4RAJ had 6 copies of EA5DOM, while >>>just 1 for DJ0ABR and nil for DH5RAE). >>> >>> >>> >>>Maybe G3NYK and/or PA0RDT can link strange propagation this to >>>some propagation mechanism / solar event? >>> >>> >>> >>>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>[owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens DK7FC >>>[selberdenken@posteo.de] >>>Verzonden: maandag 7 maart 2016 11:40 >>>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Onderwerp: Re: LF: strange MF TA propagation last night >>> >>> >>>Wow, very impressive. >>>As we saw in the past, JN68 is a special field... >>> >>>The dst plot showed a dramatical dip. On LF we think that >>>propagation must be down for days but on MF i thought there >>>can be miracles. Thus i started the TX over the night. And see >>>here, the miracle happened! >>> >>>73, Stefan >>> >>>Am 07.03.2016 09:15, schrieb Rik Strobbe: >>> >>> I just noticed very strange TA propagation on MF last night: >>> >>> >>> >>> During a very short period (04:40 - 05:02) 3 US >>>stations were copied in southern Germany, but nowhere else in Europe: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-07 04:40 WH2XND 0.475740 -30 0 DM33xt 5 DL4RAJ >>> JN68kj 9367 33 >>> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -16 0 DM33xt 5 >>>DH5RAE JN68qv 9352 33 >>> 2016-03-07 05:02 WH2XND 0.475740 -22 0 DM33xt 5 >>>DJ0ABR JN68nt 9346 33 >>> 2016-03-07 04:52 WG2XXM 0.475711 -30 0 EM15lj 5 >>>DL4RAJ JN68kj 8406 40 >>> 2016-03-07 05:00 WG2XKA 0.475723 -25 0 FN33lq 1 >>>DL4RAJ JN68kj 6292 53 >>> >>> >>> >>> The signals were partially very strong (up to -16dB) >>>and the 3 EU stations are located close together. >>> >>> Also the distances are remarkable, up to 9367 km. >>> >>> Based on WSPRNET data at least a dozen other stations >>>were receiving WSPR in Western Europe at that time, but not a >>>single copy from them! >>> >>> >>> >>> During the same time period one German station was >>>copied in the US: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-07 04:54 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 >>>WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6636 298 >>> 2016-03-07 05:04 DK7FC 0.475682 -20 0 JN49ik 1 >>>WG2XJM EN91wr 6557 299 >>> 2016-03-07 05:04 DK7FC 0.475684 -17 0 JN49ik 1 >>>WE2XGR FN31ls 6099 295 >>> 2016-03-07 05:14 DK7FC 0.475680 -22 1 JN49ik 1 >>>WG2XKA FN33lq 5970 297 >>> >>> >>> >>> Further there was also some trans Pacific DX: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hawaii-Australia: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-06 10:36 WH2XCR 0.475798 -31 0 BL11je 1 >>>VK2XGJ QF55jl 8278 222 >>> 2016-03-06 15:12 VK4YB 0.475617 -24 -1 QG62ku 5 >>>WH2XCR BL11je 7597 50 >>> 2016-03-06 15:06 WH2XCR 0.475798 -26 0 BL11je 1 >>>VK4YB QG62ku 7597 227 >>> >>> >>> >>> Australia-Japan: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-06 15:08 VK3ELV 0.475775 -27 1 QF33bq 5 >>>JH1INM PM95iq 8043 354 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hawaii-mainland US: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XKA 0.475724 -28 0 FN33lq 1 >>>WH2XCR BL11je 7945 282 >>> 2016-03-06 08:02 WH2XCR 0.475798 -27 -1 BL11je 1 >>>WG2XJM EN91wr 7413 52 >>> 2016-03-06 07:48 WG2XJM 0.475782 -22 -1 EN91wr 5 >>>WH2XCR BL11je 7413 278 >>> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -30 0 BL11je 1 >>>SWL/K9 EN61 6844 53 >>> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 0 BL11je 1 >>>WB0VAK EN34ia 6328 50 >>> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475792 -19 0 DH89 1 >>>WA3TTS/2 EN90xn 6153 21 >>> 2016-03-06 07:58 WG2XWS 0.475652 -23 0 DH89 1 >>>WB0VAK EN34ia 6144 9 >>> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XIQ 0.475611 -18 0 EM12mp 5 >>>WH2XCR BL11je 6030 274 >>> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475799 -27 0 BL11je 1 >>>WG2XIQ EM12 6023 65 >>> 2016-03-06 07:34 WG2XXM 0.475712 -13 -1 EM15lj 5 >>>WH2XCR BL11je 6007 272 >>> 2016-03-06 07:32 WH2XCR 0.475798 -28 0 BL11je 1 >>>WG2XXM EM15lj 6007 61 >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>> >>> >> >> >> > >