Return-Path: Received: (qmail 133 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 19:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 19:34:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DItpj-0005hy-Fz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:35:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DItpj-0005hv-Dw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:35:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DItsY-0001Dv-Sg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:38:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DItnG-0002FE-Dq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:32:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DItnF-0002F5-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:32:57 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DItnD-0004q8-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:32:57 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate05.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j35JWR8i012162 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:32:49 +0200 Received: from [217.248.187.193] by freemailng1802.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:32:43 +0200 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:32:43 +0200 Message-Id: <328779818@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.243 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY=0.151,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML=0.205 Subject: LF: Re: TX Cores, Gap from DK 8 ND, to G3KEV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090103030903070806080100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090103030903070806080100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Mal, dear Group, transformers for flyback converters need a gap, transformers for forward converters do not have an gap. The gap of an flyback-transformer is about 1% of the magnetic path length, depending of the energy one wants to store in the primary switching impulse. In the case of Power-amplifiers no gap is needed, exept an residuos gap. The number of turns for the primary winding depends on how one splits up copper volume and iron-volume. This refers to all electrical machines. So less core area - more turns at the same poer level. For 136 kHz I recommend an magnetic induction of about 0.05...0.1 Tesla for square wave operation. Temperature rise is ok, if at room temperature (25°C) it is just possible to touch the warm core, i.e. temperature rise of 40K is a good approach for temperatures in the cabinet of about 55°C at room temperatures of 40°C (dx-expedition...). Of course all depends on the insulation materials, classes B, F, H (130°C, 155°C, 180°C). There is no general rule in power electronics for the calculus of the number of turns of a transformer. Every design engineer has its own rules, he needs the experience proofed by the experiment, depending of copper, insulation material, core geometry. Tables in SMPS-books just give hints. For instance according to these tables the current density may vary from 12 A/mm2 (EF16) to 1,8A/mm2 at EE55 core. Choosing extremely flat cores needs new winding tests to find out magnetization and current densities at given frequencies. As far as we use magnetic materials with relative permeability figure of urel =500...3000 any material will do the job. Using VLF material with permeability of urel =6000....10 000 we should reduce manetization, as edding current losses in the core may rise. The current fed PP-PA with the dc-Choke. In switch mode power supplies this construction is used with free running power-oscillators, built with bipolar power transistors. Due to the storage time of the bipolars (0.5 us...3 us) an overlap time where both transistors are conducting , occurs. The inductivity limits the current rise, acting like a constant current source. So the value of inductivity is not much important, as long the bobbin acts as an current source. But this means that the oscillator with the bipolar transistors MUST act as a sink for the constant current. Therefore always one of the transistors must be ON, or both must be ON, otherwise the voltage at the center tap of the transformer will rise. In a current fed power converter even the two transistors neednt be driven in push-pull mode, if both are ON at the same time, it will rise current in the choke, but this higher current must then be transferred to the secondary in the next swiching pulses... Try to get information about SMPS basics by Unitrode Integrated Circuits Company, now under Texas Instruments. So much at this evening. More details upon request (Book 2004 cba ok). 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht (HTML) wurde als Anlage beigefügt.----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 02.04.05 21:21:17 An: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" Betreff: Re: LF: Re: RE: TX Cores, Gap from DK 8 ND __________________________________________________________ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201 --------------090103030903070806080100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Original_Mail.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Original_Mail.html" PEhUTUw+DQo8SEVBRD4NCjxUSVRMRT5yc2diX2xmX2dyb3VwQGJsYWNrc2hlZXAub3JnIHNj aHJpZWIgYW0gMDIuMDQuMDUgMjE6MjE6MTc8L1RJVExFPg0KPE1FVEEgSFRUUC1FUVVJVj0i Q29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBDT05URU5UPSJ0ZXh0L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJzZXQ9aXNvLTg4NTktMSI+ DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9EWT4NCi0tLS0tVXJzcHImdXVtbDtuZ2xpY2hlIE5hY2hyaWNodCB3 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