Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtB-0003En-5T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtA-0003Ee-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: from web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEtA-00043E-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 88019 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260574022; bh=0EyIXbRQdBNZOguTsfl6pqRujDAuBSa6Axocf15Lxhw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zZQ0nZIuJ/2b/8SyvZci+U527xbuUC3V2/hBlSh4Nr0bedptdOliBfzEq9tEjMkT6sWIdAJRDu3OlwYRNaTi0aXgbWPrF+ErQYV8l7hUKrK+8gk/CMd8+woV1C1Joot6RB0vow2lFoTygRb9RsUNAXuHuGohYia3nwKh61nJHCU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yIMVMsHSQbDELD8lHJDg14a86MYaQ/tzWeITw86dvBj1TAiFq21pMFkEa163uMYZ5e8An9ugVwomwLO6AHzYH2yz6GOu5YRrrq1axJi8w6NX+QmZp74UHxVCYkwQexVZgyrQyc6Tp5koIGRTMSLx3pn9u0/VGIECYrRI9I8w9Mw=; Message-ID: <326421.87806.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PJimoPYVM1k_b6kCvDob530ZayeywfQakbwgFpLmBogRGg2ydX89U7Ec4iHhkxeRox0i_bA03JiBhhi0GmKLhY9dLnIka.RHSae4v0tj1kJCgIvb2JMQWRBtT0DA2JVWSaiRcK_z6r.VSe_JERciUzU4ov4WfEXYMXNRR5LBKUsnWrr1ygnAHC8CLbQ.7MMdoWgM4xfPHle3iR9MD0rR1Nfzm1BIXgMAKNw4d9oxEmMCvAfPpUXSS070j1Q1ZMMVA6fFq0hDjLab4hFaZ0JIgQSNm7Wcccrs Received: from [213.122.20.167] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m218.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi all, I think Markus idea is a good start but we have always made it the= case that we do not have hard and fast rules on LF because the frequency= of operation epends so much on local conditions and it is no good anyone= laying down a marker that suits his location but doesnt fit with others. As I said Markus comment is a good guide. However......... Gerhard raise= s the point of using grabbers in your own continent for tests. This is goo= d and usefull to do....I have done it myself. All that you require is to= think about the long distance propagation and time your tests appropriate= ly. For instance US and Canadian stations will not really start to appear= until about their ground sunset (well ok, on very good days maybe a littl= e before that) So you could safely do "local" (same continent) tests betwe= en your sunset and the East Coast US sunset time. They probably wont take= too long and then it is unlikely you will interfere with anyone trying.= For a TA contact. Of course you "could" do the test in daytime!! This wou= ld actually be more reliable, particularly at present, when the daytime pa= ths are very consistant. You obviously need a grabber in daytime range. Th= e old geoclock is an invaluable guide though I am sure there are other now= . Just remember you are very strong at night in your own continent, and try= to stay out of the immediate areas where DX signal may be coming in. We are hardly wall to wall QRM on LF and MF yet so enjoy it. Alan G3NYK