Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9229 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 10:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 10:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8489 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 10:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 10:35:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DlBi-0000lF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:30:34 +0000 Received: from fortune-rwcmta.excite.com ([198.3.99.203] helo=fortune.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DlBh-0000kk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:30:33 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from bernie.excite.com ([199.172.148.157]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010103102944.ZAPF9490.fortune.excite.com@bernie.excite.com> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: <31534946.978517784342.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: loops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 62.253.64.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy, 1) When you state that the Radiation Resistance of a loop antenna is proportional to the square of its Area, you are of course quoting the accepted formula, but you will remember that Prof. Mike Underhill challenged this formula in his talk at Windsor. Unfortunately I have not yet managed to find this talk published anywhere. 2) Surely using a coupling loop is not a matter of matching the loop impedance to 50 ohms, but rather providing input coupling which does not unduly dampen the Q of the primary loop (which should be tuned with a capacitor). While this is a popular method it does not provide maximum signal to the receiver and should not be coupled by a long line. In the case of the G3LNP loop, the measured Q was 65, and the inductance (calculated using G4GFQ's RJELOOP3 program) is 6.3 mH, so the dynamic resistance of the tuned loop is 84 ohms. Using a Z-match to couple to the receiver would halve the Q and would require a 29 turn secondary, obviously excessive. The loss of signal due to using a single turn coupling loop is not adequately made up by the receiver in my experience, however there may be some bright ideas out there to learn from. Best 73, John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/