Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id x0BJ5p1C003692 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:05:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1gi24K-00013Y-61 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:02:12 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1gi24I-00013P-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:02:10 +0000 Received: from sonic311-31.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.176.163]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.91_59-0488984) (envelope-from ) id 1gi24G-00040c-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:02:09 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1547233327; bh=4fhtVma1zP0Yblb4OusyowgXw5KYaHe6IEXRT5ZMxwc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=MJG1a8hYwxEawgoLfU7QZepUXf0clhxkqRWFZP0jBRFPCry5P1e6s12oZ8Mq5OMlTbSubB8h/cwnLDhP5cMkpMp+Y1ZSoAQO07SrRnGqB4Nyc8AKMEjc2ck7kb1lPhXN4RfpXnw13WS118Qs16jDOTbC3MZUBkgjAUmBR2XTZ+1s81QsbCUWuytNc4trCUvjsYOQij5eFMgERJkw1ooU3Cf11z4w2eejohz+PlRobLNPYwxB+Jr+XXM9CeHQ9VwAxfCP0PkCCMgIiqX8hBy4eXKVjtMGxWyuGuterDSslpDh/W0VOA+9fF/ntrApgq/pvU2xjc+/q4lWQFVbNJuRPw== X-YMail-OSG: cM403bUVM1kLYqWZyYHUKSoU8pcYgyEKv6ElQP.RyxF8Wu7tD1277CXarhxIy97 Kgg7MUTdB.jtjWa5yDu_LXewuZ.apmkh13ow9tXd1I_By5XaMgwXgci5qApfsjmk3zDmuVLY0h_t MeBPdxIslPWgTCmKsG1gzvTdDkKCBeJp71KcSIugL.JQ8RcbwzFr_vfuCdPKe77Jx0.N2x2QBY0p oQdCeg5BtBo_CARynVfGLE5.wctjFXr84MfUS1cZojRpaM8VuEfPcqlLtMxZS6tJpULL7d9ewMTX Ril6yztvF9lj35WTSQR.oiQMGCbeHiIs_7m8necmFgWYC5U8ypeRcB49guU1MmMKti5cQbSlmdly .8HhRT.YUONf_ARxGhrBaHNI4sctdWCZCPIKrASMuwHtNDn85nI_w3GlgiN9g8U_YBfmFthqSxl8 ZtYE3A2m.bh7oj8v4jcsQ8JR39y89ZJpJLpkLgK1iqDCUSVD1AQojXXsk7K5dIWf9zJaRwCbtWds WJFuabOEO_JEcK.mI5CklTxOSZf7wCEjJnzILzj4blTAWKH71PyrQBWByx3npeGsXJmj6rfHdfdU YT.1QNrmKs1VC957LVkrNhGtUOPuedyREMkHb5YWaxflOspmoGCk0UnEGBau3pa_joaEndEbHujb HhWeQ6ss4o9668yvudfket2JxIuP3vPLunNaMwdzpOQi4Gt3ODDMW7xVkVgmcCKexy1SndbBp4zf tAq.Ri34nRjeLGEZRdS1._yp8fPaW4oiLx2rgeLVM6zMF7AOYrHti9nLlprELoBZyK73Ia.s5OU9 MWYlQgbZH1iKFeudUyjwAeyCG_Q1_oJ.8OvzUG6hlL4NBfsVdRC1XEv6aBT3xDlh9OpZMPRcrgP7 KugrVx_gaJs8YD04LvctR5v0WaX1ltH3TdF4vxbMhz32MkGRYUzWVXJn9.w.8B0eodupXakloCnP 905jrd1XvAl1GTB59jXGK.NgD1C3BxeqKivp06zR_MS66s2tXsEMrc3P0wdwOFhbYKKUVmzkWveK UfaypVYtj06S8JibEJb6omRX5D3o00njEL0Or8InOMTQP7iY29f7iPNMsrdUpCLrZ_jNt Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:02:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:02:02 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <311260158.26809691.1547233322726@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1547232354945.49648@kuleuven.be> References: <1762043626.20190104174530@gmail.com> <9410247640.20190104185544@gmail.com> <1624085399.20190106110624@gmail.com> <1288743451.20190107142430@gmail.com> <5C336344.7010308@posteo.de> <5C352132.60005@posteo.de> <966331036.24087972.1546987477866@mail.yahoo.com> <5C35A030.90307@posteo.de> <2011563744.17492551.1547024300896@mail.yahoo.com> <6DB8451D7F3D3947A5918808A59621EA3151334E@servigilant.vigilant.local> <732048151.1004617.1547061181611@mail.yahoo.com> <56342861547142038@sas1-890ba5c2334a.qloud-c.yandex.net> <150673862.26005583.1547145453262@mail.yahoo.com> <1905203887.26312043.1547198995998@mail.yahoo.com> <5C38ACC7.90609@posteo.de> <558762798.26853660.1547230465293@mail.yahoo.com> <1547232354945.49648@kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12857 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/64.0.3282.140 Safari/537.36 Edge/17.17134 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Rik, Don't be another irresponsible selfish prat, like 'silly' Stefan. He is contravening his Amateur Radio licence conditions, David From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: Friday, 11 January 2019, 18:48 Subject: Re: LF: Experimenting.. Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.176.163 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 96e7ff1ec9673d9aa57a617c94da6cf3 Subject: Re: LF: Experimenting.. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26809690_351754411.1547233322722" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_26809690_351754411.1547233322722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, Don't be another irresponsible selfish prat, like 'silly' Stefan. He i= s contravening his Amateur Radio licence conditions, David From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Friday, 11 January 2019, 18:48 Subject: Re: LF: Experimenting.. =20 #yiv0932623376 #yiv0932623376 -- p {margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}#yiv0= 932623376 =E2=80=8BI doubt that someone will be put behind bars for sending= some RF through=C2=A0a guard rail. But if so, I am confident that Stefan will make a decent ELF antenna using = those=C2=A0bars ;-) 73, Rik=C2=A0 ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org namens David Hine Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2019 19:14 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Experimenting..=C2=A0Stephan,=C2=A0I'm all in favour of = 'proper' sensible radio experimenting, but not if it includes highly illega= l connexions to motorway guard rails, railway equipment, fences, pylons, ga= s lines or metal bridges etc.. That is not experimenting, but trespassing, for which you can get a very lo= ng jail sentence if you get caught on camera.A very long jail sentence woul= d be the right punishment for this form of reckless and selfish irresponsib= ility.=C2=A0 Ask the RSGB and Ofcom their views on this.Regards, David. From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 11 January 2019, 14:51 Subject: LF: Experimenting.. From: Neil To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 21:23 I imagine lots of people are considering the use of long lengths of metal i= nfrastructure Do you really? How many, make a guess. What are they waiting for? so if there is a solution which is demonstrably better, it would save a lot= of unnecessary trouble for experimenters. What is experimenting? Isn't it doing some steps on new territory, just out= of interest? Doesn't experimenting mean that you know that you can fail or= that you can have success with your experiments? And that failing doesn't = matter because the experiments are most interesting in themselves, so actua= lly there can be no failing because doing the experiment is the success! So, is an experimenter who wants to "save a lot of unnecessary trouble" an = experimenter at all? 73, Stefan =20 ------=_Part_26809690_351754411.1547233322722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ri= k, Don't be another irresponsible selfish prat, like 'silly' Stefan. He is = contravening his Amateur Radio licence conditions, David


<= div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1547232113603_9665" styl= e=3D"display: block;">
From: Rik St= robbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Fr= iday, 11 January 2019, 18:48
Subj= ect: Re: LF: Experimenting..

=E2=80=8BI doubt that some= one will be put behind bars for sending some RF through a guard rail.<= br clear=3D"none">
But if so, I am confident = that Stefan will make a decent ELF antenna using those bars ;-)

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens David Hine <evad_hine@yaho= o.co.uk>
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2019 19:14
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Experimenting..
 
Stephan,&nbs= p;
I'm all in f= avour of 'proper' sensible radio experimenting, but not if it includes high= ly illegal connexions to motorway guard rails, railway equipment, fences, p= ylons, gas lines or metal bridges etc..

That is not = experimenting, but trespassing, for which you can get a very long jail sent= ence if you get caught on camera.
A very long = jail sentence would be the right punishment for this form of reckless and s= elfish irresponsibility. 

Ask the RSGB= and Ofcom their views on this.
Regards, Dav= id.




=
From: DK7FC <selberdenke= n@posteo.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Friday, 11 January 20= 19, 14:51
Subject: LF: Experimenting.= .


From: Neil <neil@g4dbn.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thurs= day, 10 January 2019, 21:23
I imagine lots of people are considering the use of long l= engths of metal infrastructure
Do you really? How many, make a guess. What are they waiting for?
so if there is a solution which is demonstrably better, it= would save a lot of unnecessary trouble for experimenters.
What is experimenting? Isn't it doing some steps on new territory, just out= of interest? Doesn't experimenting mean that you know that you can fail or= that you can have success with your experiments? And that failing doesn't = matter because the experiments are most interesting in themselves, so actually there can be no failing becaus= e doing the experiment is the success!
So, is an experimenter who wants to "save a lot of unnecessary trouble" an = experimenter at all?

73, Stefan




------=_Part_26809690_351754411.1547233322722--