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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: The new script seems to do the job as it should. I'm currently running it to feed WSJT-X v2.0, side-by-side with old WSPR-X v0.8 r3058 set to -15. IW4DXW is decoding well on both screens (hence the d [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.129.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 03611e5ac7d3498d5891f08d3655033a Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1366776_1537283721.1542326103510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_1366776_1537283721.1542326103510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new script seems to do the job as it should. I'm currently running it t= o feed WSJT-X v2.0,=C2=A0side-by-side with old WSPR-X v0.8 r3058 set to -15= . IW4DXW is decoding well on both screens (hence the double uploads). But a= few minutes ago IZ7SLZ who is weaker here appeared only on the accelerated= WSJT feed. Domenico's solution (new wsprd.exe under old WSPR-X)=C2=A0seems much more c= omfortable though,=C2=A0I hope that I can also make it work here. Tonight I'll=C2=A0occasionally send WSPR-15 on 137622, a couple of Hz above= Stefan's DFCW. All the best, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 18:04 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 First bug: Sndinput decimation factor needs to be 1024 not 512.=C2=A0 =20 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 17:58 Betreff: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi Stefan, here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to wspr-2 receive converter which should a= lso work under 64-bit Windows versions. Operation is similar to the old wsp= r-8 and -32 utilities http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitraster" program h= as been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable. To run the attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. T= hen download DL4YHF's sound utilities from http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip and the little sleep utility http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT-X using a virtu= al audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel=20 https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ This needs to be selected as the default audio output device, as well as th= e WSJT-X input device. Note that=20 - reported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-1376= 00 Hz, - reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 minutes late, - reported SNR will be 9 dB too good. I have to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guar= antee that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd probably not= go down the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which calls w= sprd.exe directly. Good luck, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:26 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 Hi Markus,=20 Congrats to last nights successes! Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and theWSPR tea= m is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation torelease an update= d version of your utilities that enable 64-bit usersto receive WSPR-15 usin= g the latest WSPR-2 decoder? 73, Stefan Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester: > maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? =20 yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script.All the= real work is done=C2=A0by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF,which a= re running fine as ever.=C2=A0But=C2=A0my little "waitraster.exe"=C2=A0util= ity,which did nothing but hold the script until=C2=A0the beginning of a des= iredminute,=C2=A0will no longer work under Win-64. =20 Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: N1BUG An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15 =20 I am interested in this too, but if Irecall there was a reason I didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck. =20 My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15 was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the old WSPR-X. =20 73, Paul =20 =20 On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.netwrote: > Stefan >=20 > Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on anold comp= uter that's not so easy to=20 > resurrect. >=20 > Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Thinkyour time = might be better spent on=20 > that mode since there are already many listeners. It would beinteresting = to see how far west into=20 > the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) . >=20 > Jay W1VD >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR-15 >=20 >=20 >> Jay, LF, >> >> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-) >> >> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15. >> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RXstation ) = tried WSPR-8 and even=20 >> WSPR-30 successfully. >> >> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurateFSK spacin= g) was accelerated=20 >> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normalWSPR-2 decoder,= beeing connected to the=20 >> database. >> >> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have muchimproved. So,= it may be interesting to=20 >> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2decoder. >> >> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and soon? >> >> Worth a try? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I thinkthis is why= my coil is resonant=20 >> there ;-) =20 =20 ------=_Part_1366776_1537283721.1542326103510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The new script seems to do the job as it sh= ould. I'm currently running it to feed WSJT-X v2.0, side-by-side with = old WSPR-X v0.8 r3058 set to -15. IW4DXW is decoding well on both screens (= hence the double uploads). But a few minutes ago IZ7SLZ who is weaker here = appeared only on the accelerated WSJT feed.

Domenico's solution (new= wsprd.exe under old WSPR-X) seems much more comfortable though, = I hope that I can also make it work here.

Tonight I'll occasion= ally send WSPR-15 on 137622, a couple of Hz above Stefan's DFCW.

All= the best,
Markus


----= -Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <= markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 18:04Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

First bug: S= ndinput decimation factor needs to be 1024 not 512. 
=
73, Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vest= er <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 1= 7:58
Betreff: LF: Re: WSPR-15

Hi Stefan,

here is an attempt for a wspr-15 to w= spr-2 receive converter which should also work under 64-bit Windows version= s. Operation is similar to the old wspr-8 and -32 utilities
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/wspr/slowWSPR.zip
which also contains a description worth reading. The "waitra= ster" program has been replaced by a DOS loop based on the %time% variable.=

To run the= attached script, you will need to rename it from .txt to .bat. Then downlo= ad DL4YHF's sound utilities from
http://www.= qsl.net/dl4yhf/soundutl/sndutl_e.zip
and the= little sleep utility
http://df6nm.bplaced.n= et/VLF/fec_tests/sleep.zip

The speeded-up audio should be routed from sndoutpt to WSJT= -X using a virtual audio cable, e.g. VAC or VB-Cable from Vincent Burel https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
This needs to be selected as the default audio output devi= ce, as well as the WSJT-X input device.
Note that
- re= ported frequencies will be translated from 137600-137625 to 137400-137600 H= z,
- reported timestamps will be 15 or 16 mi= nutes late,
- reported SNR will be 9 dB too = good.

I hav= e to admit that the script hasn't been tested yet, so there is no guarantee= that it will work at all. If I was to do this again, I'd probably not go d= own the speeded-up audio route, but rather make a script which calls wsprd.= exe directly.

Good luck,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----= -
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de><= br clear=3D"none" abp=3D"2653">An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 15. Nov. 2018 11:= 26
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

=
Hi Markus,

Congrats to last nights successes!

Well, since WSPR-15 is certainly the better mode for LF DX, and the WSPR team is not interested in LF, will you find the motivation to release an updated version of your utilities that enable 64-bit users to receive WSPR-15 using the latest WSPR-2 decoder?

73, Stefan



Am 15.11.2018 00:49, schrieb Markus Vester:
> maybe they don't work on 64 bit machines?=

yes that is the problem. These "tools" are just a simple DOS script. All the real work is done by the audio utilities from Wolfgang DL4YHF, which are running fine as ever. But my little "waitraster.exe"&nb= sp;utility, which did nothing but hold the script until the beginning of a desired minute, will no longer work under Win-64.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: N1BUG <paul@n1bug.com><= br clear=3D"none" abp=3D"2685"> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 14. Nov. 2018 23:03
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: WSPR-15

I am interested in this too, but if I recall there was a reason I
didn't install those tools. I can't remember now... maybe they don't
work on 64 bit machines? If that was it, I am out of luck.

My WSPR2/WSPR15 transmitting tests last season showed that WSPR15
was much better than WSPR2... even though most WSPR2 listeners were
using the new improved decoder and WSPR15 listeners were using the
old WSPR-X.

73,
Paul


On 11/14/18 4:09 PM, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote:
> Stefan
>
> Vague memories ... the tools, if they still exist, would be on an old computer that's not so easy to
> resurrect.
>
> Yes, it seems the current WSPR2 decoder is much improved. Think your time might be better spent on
> that mode since there are already many listeners. It would be interesting to see how far west into
> the US you could be decoded on a good night. Just my opinion ;~) .
>
> Jay W1VD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:51 PM
> Subject: LF: WSPR-15
>
>
>> Jay, LF,
>>
>> I already have the next idea, maybe for tomorrow? ;-)
>>
>> You remember the early days before K1JT released WSPR-15.
>> Markus developed the slow-WSPR tools and we (you, as the DX RX station ) tried WSPR-8 and even
>> WSPR-30 successfully.
>>
>> Using Markus tools, the slowly transmitted WSPR (with accurate FSK spacing) was accelerated
>> replayed in the next time slot and then fed to the normal WSPR-2 decoder, beeing connected to the
>> database.
>>
>> Meanwhile the WSPR-2 decoder performance seems to have much improved. So, it may be interesting to
>> try the 'old' tool of Markus together with the latest WSPR-2 decoder.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you still have the config files and so on?
>>
>> Worth a try?
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>> PS: 137.620 kHz is right in the WSPR-15 defined slot. I think this is why my coil is resonant
>> there ;-)

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