Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23614 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 14:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by dimple.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 14:30:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T3ql-0003HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:23:39 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.sci.fi ([195.74.0.53] helo=pefletti.saunalahti.fi ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T3qj-0003HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:23:38 +0000 Received: from default (MKCCCXXIX.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.166.129]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20944 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:23:01 +0200 (EET) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000309162256.008655f0@pop.saunalahti.fi> X-Sender: oh2lx@pop.saunalahti.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:22:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E4in=F6_Lehtoranta?= Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF antennas In-reply-to: References: <3.0.1.16.20000309131959.21d7453a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, Some time ago I wrote a story for SRAL magazine about (LF) progation terminology with a drawing or a sketch showing the proposed radiated components* near the radiating short vertical monopole. Subsequently I asked comments from the best "ground wave expert" I know, with much experience on measuring ground waves both at ground level and in the air. Especially how the radiated energy divides into components. Refering to my sketch I gave examples of extreme cases of short radiating element (10 m) and high one (645 m in Poland until 1991). The measuring element was 1 m high with base 1 m above the ground level (the sketch is a 108kb TIF). How to draw the inevitable "rays" fm one antenna to another. Anyone having some good ideas or suggestions. de Vaino,OH2LX Discussion abt what happens near the Tx antenna is needed... - so far, no comments from my colleague mentioned... - * the wave components shown as "rays" in the sketch: - direct wave + ground reflected wave = space wave - surface wave (at the interface: air/ground) - ionospheric wave (separates into its own component) how? - sub-surface wave (under the earth) its importance? - GROUND WAVE which is the suggested term forpractical, measurable resultant wave (to some distance fm tx ant) I read in "the LF Experimenter's Source Book" (page 1.10): "All line-of-sight propagation will presumably be by ground wave, as all aerials will effectively be at ground level". "Direct path (the Space wave), as used on other frequencies will not work, as they involve both a direct wave and a ground-reflected wave". "As the aerial height (in wavelengths) tends to zero, they reach the same amplitude but opposite phase and cancel out". I have been sitting in an airplane at 100-200 m for more than 500 hours while measuring LF and MF stations. Does the above mean that, say 1-2 km from the transmitter there is no space wave component (after cancellation)? (not quite sure what is "line-of-sight" on LF frequencies) ---------------------------------------------------------- V.K.Lehtoranta, OH2LX, POBox 50, FIN-05401 Jokela, Finland ------ Tel: +358-9-4173965 ---- Fax: +358-9-4173961 ------ E-mail: vaiski@dlc.fi - alias: oh2lx@dlc.fi & oh2lx@sral.fi