Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14593 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 11:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 11:34:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 137Fxc-0008LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:24:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from nurn-ip.esoterica.pt ([209.198.242.60] helo=nurn.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 137Fxa-0008LQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:24:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ea.esoterica.pt (ea.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.204]) by nurn.esoterica.pt (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5SCOaw17632 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:24:36 GMT Received: from por215.esoterica.pt (por215.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.215]) by ea.esoterica.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06001 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:24:36 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Warning: ea.esoterica.pt: por215.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.215] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000628112441.008a8d20@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:24:41 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Wire, for LF Antennas In-reply-to: <003601bfe0e8$bae186c0$0a00a8c0@server1.ThreeLakes.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Aluminium? Much lighter so you can use larger diameters. I use it extensively now, without problem to date but can only claim a 40m span folded dipole with 2.5mm diameter wire. Brian, CT1DRP At 06:06 28/06/00 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings: > >Preparations continue for TransAtlantic II, the test transmissions from here >in Eastern Ontario on 137.710 kHz are now heard widely in the USA and >Canada. > >Moving forward through the lists of things and issues to be worked on, the >subject of WIRE for LF antennas comes up. The objective of this email is to >have a discussion with active LF amateurs that will ensure for me at the end >of the day that the best alternatives have been discovered and considered >for use here. > >The current antenna here for the test transmissions is made from what we >here call common antenna wire, 7 strands of semi hard copper wire, commonly >known as 7/24. For LF the type of wire is marginal, when used for long >spans it stretches and anneals, becomes eventually very brittle and fails. >A lousy wire solution for long spans associated with LF antennas. The LF >test antenna here is far from optimum because I simply do not dare to >stretch the wire harder with the rope that pulls the antenna away from the >supporting tower. > >The alternative selections available here are very limited. There is a >reasonable quantity of semi hard drawn solid copper wire #12, commonly used >by the Broadcast Station industry. I use this for MF/HF antennas but it is >also subject to annealing and stretching. > >We have available an insulated wire known variously as "FlexWeave", similar >to Litz wire but without the shellac to hold the wire together. This is >around 75 and 150 strands in the two sizes that are usually available. The >issue here again is strength, 150 Meter spans do not last very long. > >The last is the good old copper clad steel wire, not much copper any more >but usually pretty good for long spans. Sources of this product are >limited, a good source here in Canada would be a help. > >What are the other alternatives that you are using in your setup? Why are >they good? What is the usual cost in your area? If you were looking at >spans of up to 300 Meters what would you use for an antenna wire? > >Not a glorious subject, but one which is important to the LF community. >Your comments are solicited. > >Larry >VA3LK > > > > > >