Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15063 invoked from network); 12 Mar 1999 20:27:11 -0000 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by medusa.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Mar 1999 20:27:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10685 invoked from network); 12 Mar 1999 20:29:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Mar 1999 20:29:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10LYT0-0007jZ-01; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:23:34 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA16405 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:20:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA16376 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:17:58 GMT Received: from premium.inrete.it ([194.116.9.4] helo=mailer.inrete.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10LYQZ-0007h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:21:04 +0000 Received: from pc-lab (pcttym01.inrete.it [194.116.9.248]) by mailer.inrete.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13977 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:17:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990312211031.0074cc1c@mailer.inrete.it> X-Sender: spin@mailer.inrete.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:10:31 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. Bruno" Subject: Re: LF: Ground systems ?... In-reply-to: <26498@yo2kjo.ampr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 19.56 11/03/99 +0000, YO2IS wrote: > Have lately seen very incouraging info's regarding VLF antennas built on >small surfaces, there was no mention about the ground systems. Was reading >in a very old book about VLF antennas and the Braun's grounding praxis. >To day have read a message from IK5ZPV describing his impresive ground sys. >Do use myself the "ground" ofered by the urban heating network, sure its >may be OK but not ideal, the RF curent measured in aerial and in the ground >wire are more or less the same. Our backyard is only 12 x 8 m, good soil >conductivity, will a small ground system improve the antenna eficiency over >the actual "ground" ?. Hello Szigy, the ground offered by a large heating network may be not so good, if tubes are thermally (and electrically) insulated. > Would like to know, just for comparaison, what's the antenna curent for >a VLF tx claimed for 25W output ? (about 75W input, class B). If it was my system, about 0,9A (I have 5,1A with 800W, 31,5 Ohm total R including the variometer and all losses) My earth situation is very lucky, however. I had a pre-existing ground system at this site, measuring about 27 Ohm at 137 kHz. Calculation demonstrate that the ground loss is lower if the antenna has a capacitive top hat. The calculated ERP is better for a short antenna with heavy top load, comaparated with a vertical twice as long, due to inferior losses. Try the programs of G4FGQ and do some simulations. 73 de IK1ODO Marco Rivalta, ITALY JN35SA (N 45 01' 25.6", E 7 31' 09.4")