Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18017 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 16:51:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 16:51:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29142 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 16:51:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16j2Z9-0007my-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:24:35 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16j2Z8-0007mt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:24:34 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g27Gk0Js020318 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:46:00 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020307174138.3ccf0aee@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:41:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: loops In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Bill, I following the discussion on loop antennas with great interest. I'm far from a specialist, but trying to learn ... >What really looks interesting for a loop installation, according to the >math, is the effective power gain that can be achieved by stretching the >horizontal dimension. On my property I can make this 350ft (if it were >legal) because of this strange narrow "L" shape out back in the woods. The >effective power, then, increases 50x! Tried this for an hour at very low >power (don't tell the FCC), and it works! What math do you use ? I dug up a formula for small loops (I suppose any ham-sized loop is 'small' at 2.2km / 1.33mi wavelength) : R = 320*Pi^4*A^2/L^4 , where R = radiation resistance in Ohm, A = loop area and L = wavelength. So based on that a 10m high and 100m long loop should perform as well 32m high square loop. Doubling the length of a long&low loop should increase the radiation resistance by 4 and the loss resistance by 2, resulting in an overal gain of 2 (= 3dB). Does the above fit with your math ? I like the idea of an L-shaped loop ( I suppose you mean lazy-L, so the loop is not straight in the vertical plane) as I presume that this will reduce the sharp nulls in the radiation pattern. > >My first TX loop article just appeared in the US Longwave Club's 'Lowdown' >publication. The second is to follow next month. Sounds interesting, is it available on the web ? 73, Rik ON7YD