Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20225 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 10:45:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 10:45:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19964 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 10:44:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 10:44:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15ysl8-0004FL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:38:10 +0000 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15ysl7-0004FG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:38:09 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA05734 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011031113528.30c72ac0@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:35:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: More on Antenna Loss In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Jim & group, >G3NYK (6m high, 30m long inv. L): Rloss = 4733/f^0.86 (for points >below 600kHz only) > >M0BMU(8m high, 40m long inv. L): Rloss = 1550/f^0.75 > >ZL2CA(Don't know, but must be quite big!): Rloss = 142/f^0.50 While doing research for my LF antenna webpage I came across a formula the gave the pentration depth of an E-field in the soil as : D = 509/(S^0.5*F^0.5) where D = depth in m, S = soil conductiviy in S/m and F = frequency in Hz Assuming the the ground loss is proportional to the distance 'traveled' through the soil the results of Bob (ZL2CA) seemed really a textbook case compared to the measurements of Jim (MBMU) and Alan (G3NYK), so I wonder if the 2 last do suffer more from additional losses (buildings and greenery close to the antenna) compared to Bob ? BTW : The emperical equations are a bit dependent on the frequency range you take. For Jim's measurements I get R = 1555*F^-0.75 for the whole range but then I took only the points between 100 and 300 kHz (to have the same range as Bob) and got R = 1830*F^-0.79. 73, Rik ON7YD