Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18109 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 08:48:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 08:48:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2792 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 08:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 08:47:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15t3Kr-0003gS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:42:57 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15t3Kq-0003gN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:42:56 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA590616 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:42:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011015094029.388f0df6@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:40:29 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Farewell, LFers In-reply-to: <004501c15523$b5b35650$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> References: <3BCA01CD.CC0109A1@alg.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'm a bit surprised that a 'gadget' like a 136kHz - 144MHz transponder creates that much reactions and even makes some of us to dismantle their LF antennas. In my eyes it is up to anyone to decide how 'valid' his QSO's are when he took the help of such a transponder. Personaly I wouldn't have any reservation if a transponder or UHF-link is used by hams with a poor RX location (high QRM levels) to improve their 'ears', as long as the mayor part of the path is done on LF. So in Larry's case it is clear that the few miles between his QTH and the RX-site are neglectible compared to the several 1000 miles to Europe. More in gerneral I agree 100% with Steve that 136kHz has been very refreshing, far away from the competition and the 'wanting to have the biggest' one notices on HF and up. But for me it is still so, regardless wether MB7LF is on the air or not. If I look back at the almost 4 years of my 'LF-life' the main thing I see is not my personal achievement or that from any other ham in particular, it is the collective achievement we made. In the first days we hardly could reach the other end of the street, it took me over 2 months to make my first QSO. But step by step the equipement was improved, propagation was investigated and new modes were developed with the result that within 3 years we were able to cross the atlantic. I hope that nobody is mad at me when I claim that this was not the achievement of just 1 or 2 people, but that a whole group contributed in many ways : designing transmitters and antennas, investigating propagation, develloping receiving and transmitting software and so on ... This is what I like most about 136kHz, the fact that we are working together instead of in competition. And that won't change wether we have a transponder to VHF or not. So ... for what it is worth ... hope to work you again on LF Steve. 73, Rik ON7YD