Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22167 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 14:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 14:45:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 14:44:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 14:44:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15L470-0002uN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:40:10 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15L46z-0002uI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:40:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA1623672 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:39:29 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010713153919.0d77490c@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:39:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Fw: Near field of 9kHz antenna In-reply-to: <002301c10b9d$2f2e0280$e76274d5@w8k3f0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Dick, Your simulation confirms the measurement of DF6NM, the near field signal drops very fast (20dB for 1km -> 2km). Can you simulate a magnetic (loop) antenna instead of a vertical ? I wonder if that gives any different (better) result. I used GRNDWAV3 (btw fine piece of work) to calculate the far-field signal strength from 5km upward. When doubling the distance step by step the result is a 6dB decrease each time, up to 640km. From there on the attenuation increases significantly. But who worries for that at this moment. So the main burden could be to get the signal 5km out, for there on you 'only' need to quadruple the ERP to double the distance. One more thing : the VLF signal strength is most likely very stable at distances below 1000km, so what stops us from using DFCW at dotlengths of several minutes. Achieving 0.001Hz frequency stability of the TX and RX should be 'peanuts' (just 1ppm) what allows us to take optimal advantage of very long dotlengths. Any station that can get it's signal copied at 5km distance using 3 sec/dot should have a range of about 70km at 10 min/dot. 73, Rik ON7YD At 15:09 13/07/01 +0200, you wrote: > >To All from PA0SE > >Computer program Antenna Optimizer by K6STI permits to calculate the near field of an antenna up to a distance of 2km. I did so for a vertical for 9kHz. I had to make it 180m high before computation was possible. >The field is computed for a radiated power of 1kW. But what matters is the way the field strength changes with distance. >Sorry for the poor quality. The file cannot be saved outside the AO program or whatever that is called in computer speak. So I had to print them using "Print Screen" and scan the printed result. >I first included the near magnetic field as well but the Reflector apparantly did not accept the file (50kB). When I see this message has been accepted by the Reflector I will send the magnetic field values by a separate e-mail. > >73, Dick > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\LFFwNear.htm" > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\Nearelec.gif" >