Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14044 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 13:33:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 13:33:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28875 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 13:36:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 13:36:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Dny7-0001eL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:28:43 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Dny6-0001eG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:28:42 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA884186 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:28:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010103152004.2ca75d34@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:20:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re. VE1ZZ In-reply-to: <3A531C89.2032.BB2276@localhost> References: <200012261227_MC2-BFB5-9363@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike is 200% right, just look at the meaning of ERP : Effective Radiated Power regarding Mals question : Why do the 'commercials' on LF use giant antennas ? 1. Because they want a certain ERP (let's say 100kW) and in that range of ERP it is cheaper to have a big antenna (at 50% efficiency) fed with 200kW than a small antenna (at 1% efficiency) fed with 10MW. 2. Very high power into a small antenna will create additional problems (as extreme voltage) that can be avoided with big antennas But we hams live in a different world with our 1 Watt ERP restriction, apart from legal limitations (building restrictions) a 30 or 40m tower will be more expensive than a 2kW PA. So it often will be cheaper and easier to get 1 Watt ERP with a smaller antenna and more power. 73, Rik ON7YD At 12:35 3/01/01 -0000, G3XDV wrote: >G3KEV wrote: >>So you are saying that 1W >>erp from a dummy load radiates just as efficiently as 1W from a 200 >>ft vertical for instance. > >and DK8KW retorted: >> ... no, surely not! > >But of course the statement is true. 1W ERP from a dummy load >inside a Faraday screeen inside lead-lined container will also >radiate as well as 1W ERP from a full sized dipole. The key word is >Radiated (the R in ERP). You will need an awful lot of megawatts >(gigawatts?) to get 1W ERP from such a dummy load but once that >watt is radiated there is no difference. > > > >Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) >http://www.lf.thersgb.net > > >