Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15108 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 12:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 12:05:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 134j8p-0001Tt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:57:59 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 134j8n-0001To-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:57:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA60876 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:57:52 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000621135302.12f7ace4@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:53:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: CFA Antenna: miraculous? In-reply-to: References: <3.0.1.16.20000621103659.0af713fc@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <394F7643.7AC83ACF@club-internet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >I found only two papers reporting field strenght measurement, one >from supporters and one from a dectractor of CFAs: > >1) WA6HZT and N6YIP in Antennex (June 2000) report a loss of 24 db >respect to the filed strenght predicted by models for a >quarter wave monopole with 120 radials, for their 1.6-m high CFA on >160 meters. However they declare that this result is provisional, >while they are still trying to build better tuning networks. > >2) VE2CV in the same journal reports a radiation efficiency of about >1% for his 1.2-m high CFA on 80 meters This would mean that a 0.015 lambda CFA has a gain of about -20dB (2) and a 0.01 lambda CFA has a gain of about -24dB (1). Extrapolating this figures would lead to -30/-35dB for a 10m high CFA on 136kHz (about 0.005 lambda) and -35/-40dB for 6m high CFA. These are values that one can achieve with a decent T or inverted-L antenna of the same height. I do not doubt that the CFA principle works, but when the size of the antenna becomes very small (compared to wavelength) you will get high losses. For a short vertical these are mainly in the 'surrounding' (grounds, nearby objects) while for the CFA (as for the magnetic loop) these are probably within the antenna. This could make the CFA a valid alternative for those sufferering from very high groundloss. 73, Rik ON7YD