Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28529 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2000 12:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 12:08:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12kmzn-0000h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:02:15 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12kmzi-0000gv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:02:11 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA297726 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:01:38 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000427135745.2d179b22@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:57:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Transatlantic beacon tests In-reply-to: <6a.2388de7.26390b31@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I think that Andy's (G4JNT) approach to go to milli-Hz bandwidth will be very usefull in exploring the limits of what we can do with our small antennas and 1 Watt ERP limit. It may also give us some interesting information on propagation. But due to the very narrow bandwidth the 'speed' will also be extremely low. Practise has learned us that a basic QRSS QSO at 3 sec. dot length takes about 30 minutes. As 1mHz bandwidth corresponds to a dot length of 1000 seconds a minimal QSO (exchange of calls and 'TMO' report) will take about 16 hours. The question is if we will have a 16 hours long period of ionospheric propagation over a 4000km long path ? Otherwise we will need to rely on the surface wave and the disadvantge of this is that it has a 'coaxial cable like' attenuation of 2 to 3 dB per 100km. This means that you need 40 to 60dB more power (or better SNR) to cover a 4000km path compared to a 2000km path. My opinion is that we should try all possibilities, going from normal-speed CW over QRSS and DFCW to the milli-Herz techniques that Andy is developing, in our attempt to cross the pond. Even within a small community as our 'LF world' there are different groups of interest. But I see this as a benefit, not as a problem. 73, Rik ON7YD