Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28946 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2000 13:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Apr 2000 13:42:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12kRxt-0007Tp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:34:53 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12kRxr-0007Tk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:34:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA163518 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:34:36 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000426153044.2e8ff712@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:30:44 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Transatlantic beacon tests In-reply-to: <3617AC3245C2D1118A840000F805359C01752896@pdw-mercury-1.der a.gov.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: If using milli-Hz resolution don't foxus only on TX stability but also on RX stability ! An example : last weekend I installed Spectran in order to monitor Marco's signal. Monday evening QRN was far too high to listen (look) for Marco, so I decided to use Spectran to check the frequency stability of the PLL-VFO of my TX. The VFO is working on +/- 8.8MHz in 64Hz steps and this signal is divided by 64 to get the 136kHz signal in 1Hz steps. To get an accurate measurement I twisted a short wire arround the VFO and connected it to the antenna input of my TS440 so I could hear the 8.8MHz signal. I left it running for some time at room temperature (abt 22C) and then opened the window, what made the temperature drop to abt. 14C in less than 10 minutes. With Spectran I saw a frequency 'jump' of about 30Hz (on 8.8MHz), so less than 0.5Hz on 136kHz. Now I was getting curious how good I could see this 0.5Hz 'jump' with Spectran, so I Closed the window, let the VFO get bach to its original frequency and repeated the experiment, now monitoring the 136kHz signal. And indeed, I could see the 0.5Hz 'jump', but strange enough after some time (with the window open) the frequenc slowly started to return to the original value. First I was fussed by this effect, but then I understood what was happening : the VFO of my TS440 also 'took a cold' (due to the larger mass and better shielding it happened slower). The second effect was considerable smaller than the initial 0.5Hz drift (I estimate it about 0.1Hz to 0.2Hz) but when working with milli-Hz bandwidth even 0.1Hz drift might be unacceptable. 73, Rik ON7YD At 12:45 26/04/00 +0100, you wrote: >I was receiving Marco's carrier during the night tests at 20 - 30dB >above noise in a 2mHz bandwidth at a distance of 927km. Daytime was 10 >- 15dB lower. > >In a Spectran bandwidth of 0.03 Hz that will correspond to about 12db >less S/N ie 8 - 18dB - a good visible signal on a waterfall, so >confirms we are receiving consistent levels between us. > >... ETC ...