Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1341 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2000 13:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 13:53:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12OL4C-000859-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:46:00 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12OL49-000852-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:45:57 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA45670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:45:47 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000225154312.0ed7286e@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:43:12 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz on Friday? / Field strength In-reply-to: <29412.200002251259@gemini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12:59 25/02/00 +0000, G0MBU wrote: >There is therefore a discrepancy of -9.6dB between expected and >actual ERP - even greater than the -6.4dB difference that was >found for the M0BMU measurements a few weeks ago (calculated >E = 408uV/m, measured E = 195uV/m). It was suggested at that >time that part of the difference might be due to the short distance >between transmitter and receiver not being enough to achieve 'far >field' conditions, however, Mike's QTH is nearly twice as far as >mine, so would be expected to show less loss from this cause. To find out where the 'far field' begins following experiment would be interesting : Put an electric and magnetic 'field probe' on a car. The electric 'field probe' could just be a short (50 cm) vertical (eg. 144MHz lambda/4) matched to 136kHz (by LC circuit), for this small antenna the car will be sufficient 'stable' ground. The magnetic 'field probe' can be a small loop or ferite rod antenna. Then measure the signal strength with both antennas at different distances of the transmitter. As long as you are in the 'far field' the ratio between the 2 signalstrengths should be constant, when the 'electric' becomes relatively stronger then you are entering the 'near field'. As you are measuring ratios the antennas do not have to be calibrated, so they are easy to make. But you will need a calibrated receiver (signalstrength) or adjustable attenuator between the RX and the antennas. 73, Rik ON7YD