Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2507 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 12:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 12:58:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12L3uM-0005uJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:50:18 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12L3uI-0005uE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:50:14 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA138810 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:50:06 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000216144750.094f550e@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:47:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re SIDs and Transatlantic In-reply-to: <000201bf7872$bb1e6740$e491883e@lvm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >So can we assume that the exceptional conditions reported by Larry Kaiser were >related to this Flare on 5 feb.if so there is a delay of one week between the >event and the change in propagation! is this unique or has it been observed >before? The MDE (or shortwave blackout) is caused by particles (from the sun) that travel at much slower speed than light. Delays of 24h and more between the (visual) occurence of a flare and MDE are common. >Usually SIDs appear to be associated with increased D layer absorbtion and >consequent radio blackouts.Perhaps there is another mechanism in the recovery >of the ionosphere from such an event which results in the dramatic improvement >in propagation noted by Larry. Increased D-layer absorption is causing the 'blackout' on HF. Some theories say that under extreme conditions the ionisation of the D-layer can be that strong that it will reflect LF (and eventually MF) instead of absorb it. I remind an article in CQ-DL (somewhere in the 80's) that handles about this and it even mentioned QSO's between Germany and Malta (abt. 2000km) at noon (during summer) on 1.8MHz during a strong MDE. In the past I have noted increased signalstrengths (on 136kHz) from northern Europe (OH and SM) whan the A-index was high. At the same time signalstrengths from southern Europe (I) was hardly affected. 73, Rik ON7YD