Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25908 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 08:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 08:58:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Hjsm-000284-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:50:56 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Hjsl-00027z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:50:55 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA64676 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:50:48 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000207104843.2d371ae2@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:48:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF Propagation thoughts (and antenna, too) In-reply-to: <4.1.20000206204040.009d7ea0@mailer.inrete.it> References: <3.0.6.32.20000206170320.00862560@laatikko.saunalahti.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 21:48 6/02/00 +0100, IK1ODO wrote: >I have a question for antenna modelling gurus (G3LDO?) >What is the vertical radiation pattern of our shortened >verticals? Is it dependent of ground resistance and nearby >objects? may we model it? >From what I found in old handbooks (60's and before, when LF was more 'fashionable' for the commercials) the radiation pattern of a short vertical is independent of its length (height). Any any antenna less than 10% of the wavelength is consired 'short' (so even the 7S6SAJ guys were using an electrical short antenna). A short vertical above a perfect ground has a gain of 4.8dBi, again independent of the antennalength. Regarding the groundresistance the rules was : the lesser the better. No only for the sake of antenna effeciency but also to avoid radiation at higher angles. This 'high angle radiation' was for the commercials, who were only interested in surface wave propagation (stable 24h/day, 365 days/year) not only pure waste but also a source of possible interference (via ionospheric wave). But if we want to make 'DX-QSOs' with 1 Watt ERP we defenitely need ionospheric wave propagation, so producing some higher angle radiation might be usefull. So far I have not found too much information about ionospheric propagation on LF in literature (except for how to avoid it). It would be interesting to find out what radiation angle is optimal, if the angle is too low then the signal will bend around the earth (surface wave) and won't 'escape' into the ionosphere, if the angle is too high then the 'hops' will be short. Maybe the interesting contributions of OH2LX can help us with that (tnx Vaino). One remark regarding antenna length : Despite the fact that radiation pattern and antenna gain are independent of the lenght a longer antenna has still a big advantage : a higher radiation resistance. Doubling the length of a short vertical antenna will quadruple the radiation resistance, this is a 6dB 'gain' due to a better ratio of radiation resistance versus loss resistance (assuming that the losses are much higher that the radiation resistance). But you can get exactly the same effect by quadrupling the TX-power, so in theory you can reach the 1 Watt ERP limit with any antenna if you use adequate power. And, despite what some try to make us to believe, you cannot hear the difference between 1 Watt ERP from a big antenna with low power or a small antenna with high power. Of course with a big antenna and high power the 1 Watt ERP limit can be exceeded significantly, but that is against the legal limitations and I am sure a real ham will not do that. As far as I know the only station that got a special permit to run higher ERP is 7S6SAJ. Congrats to Chister and Co. for the '1kW experiment', they got a lot interest from all over Europe. Let's hope that this will result in some more countries becoming active on 136kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD