Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29914 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 09:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 09:59:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 127bSb-0007wK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:01 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 127bSa-0007vs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:00 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA145366 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:49:57 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000110114820.2d276e7a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:48:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: LF antenna In-reply-to: References: <3.0.1.16.20000104153138.2f4797da@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 19:37 8/01/00 +0000, G3XDV wrote: >>A bit desperate I started my final attempt, again inspired by Mike, G3XDV, >>who reported an improvement of his antenna by adding some inductance at the >>top of the vertical section of his antenna. >>... >>The next days reports from several stations (G4GVC, G3YXM, DK8KW) showed an >>increase of 1 S-point. > >Very interested in this report from Rik. At the time I announced my >success, Rik spent some time running through the maths with me to show >that theoretically there should be no improvement - and I could not >argue with that. I recall replying that if practice and theory did not >agree, believe the practice. Recently, Dick, PA0SE, also argued >mathematically and by modelling that there was no improvement to be had. I did some additional measurements on the antenna this weekend, I will compare them with the data I have from the 'old' antenna (without the top loading coil) and report to the reflector if anything interestng comes up. So far there are 3 hams reporting a major improvement by adding some inductance at the top of the vertical : DF3LP (who has almost 100% of the total loading coil at the top) G3XDV (don't know the values of the loading coils) ON7YD (2mH at the base, 1.25mH at the top) All 3 have 'objects' very close to the antenna (trees and/or buildings). Would be interesting to know if other tried 'inductive toploading' and what their results were. 73, Rik ON7YD