Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19496 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1999 09:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 21 Dec 1999 09:34:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 120M2N-0007Jb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:56:59 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 120M2K-0007JW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:56:56 +0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA93962 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:24:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19991221112330.2d1fb3cc@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:23:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: qrss In-reply-to: <385E7F69.53C8863E@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Malcolm, >Can anyone explain to me why qrss is necessary on 136 khz. All the >activity that I have heard on this frequency is workable on normal speed >cw at my qth. With Gram (if used properly) you can easily 'see' signals that are 15 to 20dB below the audible level. It is a physical law that SNR is inverse proportional to bandwidth. Practical bandwidth for 'copy by ear' is 30 to 50Hz, with QRSS you can achieve a bandwidth below 1Hz. Last sunday I had a QRSS/DFCW QSO with G0MRF, his signal was completey inaudible. >I could understand the use of this mode on 20 khz and below because of a >possible bandwith consideration. If this was the case, there are other >alternatives like MSK. Commercial stations only use the qrss method as a >necessity on VLF. We have other limitations than the commercials, besides the legal 1W ERP limit a lot of us are rather limited regarding antenna dimensions (= antenna efficiency) and in a lot of countries there is also a TX output limit (20W in DL, 100W in OH, 400W in PA etc...). This limits the ERP of many stations to 100mW or less. >I have not seen any weak signals on qrss that I could not copy aurally. Maybe you have to experiment a bit with the setting of the software you use for QRSS. 73, Rik ON7YD