Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14671 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 16:32:33 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 16:32:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 27327 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 16:42:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 16:42:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nlGj-0005rR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:15:45 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nlGi-0005rM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:15:44 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA20378 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:22:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19991116181457.2d97e9f0@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:14:57 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Earth or counterpoise? In-reply-to: <000701bf3044$c1a83940$1497b38f@w8k3f0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A question to Dick : >A. Antenna plus counterpoise in free space: radiation resistance 17.8 milli-ohm Did you calculate the capacitance of this 'free-space' model ? I ask this because further you mention that the antenna against ground had a capacitance of 176pF while the antenna against the counterpoise has a capacitance of 74pF. I wonder of this 74pF is completely a 'direct' capacitance between antenna and counterpoise or there is also a 'antenna to ground to counterpoise' component. This last component could be very 'lossy' (and unwanted). The fact that there is so little difference in antennacapacitance between the counterpoise direct under the antenna and the counterpoise opposite to the antenna could suggest that the main part of the antennacapacitance is not direct antenna - counterpoise but first antenna to ground and then ground to counterpoise. Mike, G3XDV mentioned in his mail that with counterpoise he had much less antennacurrent. He also said that both antenna and counterpoise had their own loadingcoil and both seperately were tuned to ground. This procedure should favour the current from the antenna to ground and then from ground to counterpoise, instead of a direct antenna-counterpoise current. This could explain the low current. Maybe it would be better to tune counterpoise and antenna against each other (if they each have their own coil) or just use 1 big coil as Dick suggests. 73, Rik ON7YD