Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24787 invoked from network); 14 Apr 1999 09:04:22 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 09:04:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 26149 invoked from network); 14 Apr 1999 08:05:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 08:05:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10XKcs-00054b-01; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:02:27 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA03233 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:59:53 GMT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03229 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:59:50 GMT Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10XKa8-0004yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:59:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA07963 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:04:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990414085752.2f3f44f8@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:57:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: good signals - deaf receivers In-reply-to: <37133A8B.26E94D6D@phonakcom.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 14:37 13/04/99 +0200, you wrote: >>>From HB9ASB, JN36pt > >Now the band gets also busy here in Central Europe. Last weekend I've >heard 17 different callsigns and sometimes it sounded like a "dialogue >des sourdes": Strong signals but they did not hear each other. >Alarming is the increasing number of stations with good signals and >mediocre receivers. It seems to me, that the real challenge on the LF >band is the receiving part and I think there is still a lot of work to >do. This includes also directional receiving aerials. >I am aware of the fact that some locations suffer from heavy local QRM >or Loran-splatter or have more Luxembourg-effect than others. On the >other hand are receivers suffering from front end overload, >inappropriate AGC-characteristics and large bandwidths far from the >optimum. > > >73 de Toni > > I can only agree with Toni. As owner of a QTH with very low man-made noise (QRM) but unfortunately poor 'ground conditions' (and thus rather low ERP) I know all about the frustration of hearing stations with 'armchair copy' and not being able to work them. With the very nice PA-designs of G3YXM and G0MRF it is easy to get several hundred Watts RF, but maybe now it is about time to focus more on the receiving side. My experience : I use my 13m high and 26m long inverted-L antenna also for receiving and if I connect this antenna directly to my TS440 I hear nothing but intermodulation products in the 135.7-137.8kHz segment. After adding an attenuator (10-40dB in 10dB steps) between antenna and RX a small miracle happens, all the sudden the band is clear and the weak ham-signals can be heard. Although I have only a 500Hz CW filter I can narrow the bandwidth by using the IF-shift and centering on 400Hz instead of the 'default' 800Hz. For my TS440 I found out that I have the optimum between signalstrength and 'intermodulation-surpression' when I receive the DBF39 (or DCF39) signal with about S7. By adding more attenuation I loose the weak signals in the internal RX noise, with less attenuation the intermodualtion-products show up. So maybe this 2 tips may be a help to others : 1. Use an (adjustable) attenuator between antenna and RX, focus on best ratio between the wanted ham-signals and the unwanted IM-products. And don't worry if the s-meter is not moving. 2. Use the IF-shift to narrow the RX bandwidth, it helps if you go from the default 800Hz 'beat' to 400Hz. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX)