Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.203]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB034-86974d6575bb343; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:01:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 583D73800017B; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PsLpC-00073M-Gw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:00:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PsLpC-00073D-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:00:42 +0000 Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PsLpB-0006OQ-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:00:42 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.210] by nm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 21:00:35 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.176] by tm3.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 21:00:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2011 21:00:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 338064.30889.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97450 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 21:00:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PeZKNDFmTlwYWNUk83kZcWWxA5xhn81OzGCxZWs9ssEThSp1pZ3i/jpUt+vGpXCqvBBLLhNyiCXDdxsjoKVJJMxgLSx+gkZkbOMdSdKc03k9d4YXBDe8w7UwuZNoVhGEc0+1pZ3YlajLUQEJdMwR2ZqdJNuS1Da9uJ2eaqRixuI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1298494835; bh=y5ODOLcNqReb+DlFJWzHgKQFPGWbAY23mFz4vlCoZ7s=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ukCmJQ+nuhBAssregTdpCdTWTjKxuP7W9JuY/+dn6TUFq2hV4UVYWIBdqIEp/4lhDp07NcWblKqvrqI8BYHj/oNljXAHUxRIsCxjbPlFd46cwpjXKdwj4linDVIWMVU6ylPK5pJdlEXOFHOeskxKe/G0nJCjx72KGNrBbwMnAy8= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.183.181.91 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 21:00:32 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: xgUc39MVM1kYVoKS5N217zjLRmCEsD336xWWN5Ysx2KdAsh kCJFYK6qI5Z3HqUebntTO_rw6cAzb7TkDj95feWOnVAm.nMlcsmSMRMPFARr QsPJqkPltAngJZRIx8XTzhSOfB4cmWg.5hIh37mny0_7AE8dMciHa7iEGw13 dPpT5asL9u0FU6_tmwppWpYHNuWc.M.L.RFYBeK7qvXx9eJBpYR11ecHGMVe vfJLmBzaYVaWK3HsYbtJxG1FxDxG3Pt.mOJ1Y4F92.LtBvPbikEiaGTRsEMI oKxJiF2Rtz5wFTow- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2EA681B0F9464932BAE2B79443E4C725@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:00:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Soldering enamelled copper wire Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4d6575b93e73 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear John, LF Group, I have a reel of wire from this company, and it is definitely of the solderable, "self-fluxing" polyurethane enamel variety, as is most enamelled wire you buy nowadays, which is usually a yellow to orange or pink colour, but can be other colours too. The older type of enamel is usually a much darker brown and has to be scraped, burned or chemically removed. There are also various kinds of high temperature enamel for motor winding, etc., but these are less common. Uwe's technique works very well with fine wires, but for thicker wire like 0.7mm you might need quite a big soldering iron, or a solder pot, to get it hot enough to make the enamel melt and bubble off. If you only have a small iron, it is easier to scrape the enamel in the traditional way. I think the "toxic fumes" warning is relevant for people working on a transformer production line all day, but for soldering the occasional wire the quantities are too tiny to cause a problem. I have never found the fumes significantly irritating - but use common sense! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: LF: Soldering enamelled copper wire LF, I have a reel of such wire labelled as follows: "Wire copper enamelled Part 1230983 0.71 mm 1/2 kg Solder only in well ventilated area. Fumes are toxic"