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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Roelof, I have in the past discussed these odd polar paths with Laurence. One though is a 'location filter' consider a path where the transition through the auroral belt happens to coincide with a ground reflection?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE No description available. 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Re: A robust session on 630-meters : K9FD (/KH6) -> LA2XPA and more... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Roelof, I have in the past discussed these odd polar paths with Laurence. One though is a 'location filter' consider a path where the transition through the auroral belt happens to coincide with a ground reflection?? Though I think we are due a wipeout for a couple of days. The Dst has just gone to zero nT prior to a dip expected from the Kp=5 this morning. Another effect I have seen is what I refer to as 'leakage' I am not sure about this but there is data that shows poor signals after a long geomagmetically qiet period. Though the E-layer is theoretically ionised by non-solar effects (cosmic rays) there is obviously some effect. The interesting point is this poor prop period can be ended by a low-level geomagmetic event (Kp=4) so it is possible that nighttime ionisation levels in the E layer benefit from mild geomagnetic activity. We may see more of this as we go into this Solar Minimum. these things remain fascinating. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 10:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: A robust session on 630-meters : K9FD (/KH6) -> LA2XPA and more... > Hello Rik, > > T/A propagtion from lower latitude NDB's is very poor at the moment, > whilst reception from Nunavut is excellent. > > There was even a short opening around 10:00 UTC from Churchill at > the other side of the Hudson Bay. This almost happens every year in > December / January. However, I have never seen the difference > between reception from lower Canada and up north as large as it is > now. > > My guess is that a different propagation mode is at work. > If anyone has more information, it will be much appreciated. > > Though trans-polar propagation in Winter is common from northern > Europe at my latitude (52 N) this is much more rare. Yet, lately I > could receive 3 NDB's from Alaska here. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt >