Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t8TBBhuG006031 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:11:43 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgslB-0008Ps-Vb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:07:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZgslB-0008Pj-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:07:49 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zgsk8-0004oh-8r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:07:48 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.133]) by mwinf5d30 with ME id Nz6L1r00B2sbAAf03z6LNK; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:06:24 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:06:24 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.133 Message-ID: <27CCCF8335F143D09E8FC24E4D96CF4A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB1B1EF64B@servigilant.vigilant.local><9E22D5EFF00D4A03B90E508E5DA3811E@AGB><6AEC4F77D42B410A93A8CBD356126A83@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:06:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: e76796a7cdd5c967684a5a09aa90ab76 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D0FAAF.408E6900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4199 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D0FAAF.408E6900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Iban, Well I suppose , its down to system noise , the E field mini-whip = has the minimum amount of components and the smallest foot-print , = which means , s/n degradation is minimal and it can be located in = a 'low noise' 'spot' , The loop may have more active components = and directivity - catch 22 , gain may be from directivity . The only = other alternative is , very long low wires =20 Cutting out the RX , I found on of the cheap usb dongles in direct sample , gave -1 / = -2 dB lower detection level on 477 , that was looking into the Tx = Ae via the atu . a 477 band pass filter is probably all it = needs when used with a mini-whip =20 For 136 , Gary uses the Sound Card Rx , as Stefan's design = http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html =20 with a mini-whip Ae , that minimises the additional system noise = and keeps everything nice and simple . 73-G, -1 set up is working well , -34 OP8 is better than average=20 Monitor: EB3FRN-1 Loc JN01MC Frequency: 0.477 MHz (600m) Using: Opera v1.5.8/Rptr V1.6 Antenna: Op8__~34dB Show all seen by EB3FRN-1 Last report: EA5DOM at Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:56:20 GMT From: Iban Cardona=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:53 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi Graham, First I have to say that I live in a small town and is quiet zone. And = at home and my shack I cleaned all my RFI. The loop es bit more quiet and directive, then the signals should be = over from 2 or 4dB better than the mini-whip in all the periods at 477k. = In some cases make the difference to receive or not receive some = station.=20 The active-antenna.eu loop have different setups. Currently I'm using a = single loop of two meters of diameter, using 1/2 inch coax. It is = located at the same height and zone of the mini-whip. But need test = another loop setups and sizes. I have to test the vertical symmetrical = short dipole too. At 136 is working better the mini-whip, because as the loop is oriented = to Europa I'm loosing the VO1NA QRSS. I need more time to see what is = better at 136, and tests another setups too. What is better? Not easy to say... the loop works better, but not is = omnidirectional and can lose some stations. 73! Iban eb3frn On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Graham wrote: Ok Iban, =20 The question is , which is the best ? difficult , both have the = same s/n , may be the mini-whip ? as same s/n , more % fade , = [more dropped bits] peak signal must be higher ? or the qsb = deeper ? =20 73-G, =20 =20 =20 From: Iban Cardona=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:04 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi, Graaham this the edata: EB3FRN Afredi netsdr + 2mt active loop =20 EB3FRN-1 ICOM R9000 + mini-whip 73! Iban eb3frn On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Graham wrote: =20 -1 Rx ?=20 18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1503.9 Hz = with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m total 18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN-1 Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:17% in MONTBRIO 1501.5 = Hz with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m total =20 =20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 6:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Ok Luis=20 =20 Yes , had to be something 'loopy' going on , from the levels , 25 = watts should do the job then , was the level 16 watts before ? =20 GL with the vertical , if its locations is where I think it will = be : -) you may not need the variometer , just a tapped coil and = a var-capacitor from a old valve Rx=20 =20 Are you still sending opera/wspr ? or just OP8 , no wspr spots = showing during daylight to day ?=20 =20 73-G, =20 =20 2015-09-28 07:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -28 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-28 02:00 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-28 01:48 EA5DOM 0.475612 -24 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-28 01:36 EA5DOM 0.475612 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-28 01:00 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-27 23:12 EA5DOM 0.475613 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-27 22:48 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-27 22:36 EA5DOM 0.475613 -26 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-27 21:24 EA5DOM 0.475613 -27 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 2015-09-27 18:48 EA5DOM 0.475617 -25 0 IM98wn 0.002 EB3FRN = JN01mc 300 19=20 From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi Graham =20 The answer is ... QRO :) =20 I'm running the 100w PA made by Fausto IK4NMF. Not big signal increase = in local (7km) decodes but clear difference at 300Km as seen by EB3FRN =20 After improving loop matching, PA works at full power. Fortunately = Opera8 keeps the PA almost cold while a single WSPR-2 period is a real stress test. Loop match is still = far from perfect and stressing full power modes are not wellcome with this setup=20 =20 As Stefan told, keeping the loop tuned is an endless task and not the = way to go for QRO/Dx Even worse for a flat horizontal loop like mine =20 Next in the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep = tuned ;-) =20 73 de Luis EA5DOM =20 Audacity of it , in board daylight as well=20 =20 These are all well above the Dynamic switch over level , Q question = for the propagation dep't , what's changed ? local decode levels still -5/-6 dB , but that path is upto 6 dB = less attenuation [ opera > dynamic s/n still average and same = calibration] =20 73-G, 14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB F:11% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz 14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz 14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO 1482.4 Hz 13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5 Hz 12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 Hz 12:44 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 Hz From: Iban Cardona=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0 Hz Hi, Graham=20 copying to G6AVK too, with nice signals 23:05 477 G6AVK Op8 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: 2% I attach a pict from my grabber where can see EA5DOM and G6AVK at the = same time 73! Iban eb3frn On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Graham wrote: True Luis , just like just like VW 'crazy' code :- ) =20 Good signals in the night to EB3FRM ! =20 73-G, EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -28 dB in MONTBRIO 1489.0 Hz EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -32 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.5 Hz =20 From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez=20 Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 4:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 = Hz You catched me Graham ! ;-) Running the horizontal loop again. Better matching to the PA than = before, but only 8W now I have continued Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. Nothing on = WSPR-2 at EB3FRN but Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to confirm = the spots and then the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question marks 12:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -34 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 = Hz 12:58 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in Albir 12:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz 12:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz 11:59 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -35 dB in MONTBRIO = 1488.8 Hz Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking in consideration the higer = QRM at EB3FRN during daylight hours 73 de Luis EA5DOM De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham = [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 26 de septiembre de 2015 1:40 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: LF: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz Jump in Opera activity to day , with excellent conditions on 14 MHz = UK/EU<>VK =20 LF/MF - Note the PSK map ONLY shows opera data decodes , Dynamic = spots are routed via the Opera APP=20 Good demonstration of running a local ' Rx on LF and MF by EA5DOM , = only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic , but validated by the local off air = time stamp and recovered average frequency , within 200 mHz , -36 dB is = about the lower limit for op8D 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz 23:34 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir 23:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8 Hz 23:22 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in Albir 23:11 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz 23:10 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir Dynamic spots not showing=20 21:24 136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search -42 dB in Welwyn 1535.8 Hz 20:42 136 G3XDV de EW6BN Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de G4WGT Op32 Deep Search -42 dB=20 20:37 136 IZ7SLZ de SV8RV-1 Op32 Deep Search -42 d =20 73-G, ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D0FAAF.408E6900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Iban,
 
Well  I suppose , its down to  system  noise ,=20 the   E field mini-whip  has  the  = minimum  amount=20 of  components and the  smallest foot-print ,  which = means =20 , s/n degradation is  minimal   and  it  can be = located  in a 'low noise'   'spot'  ,  The = loop =20 may have more  active  components and  directivity -=20 catch 22 , gain  may be  from  directivity . = The=20 only  other  alternative  is , very long  low = wires=20   
 
Cutting out  the  RX ,
 
I found  on of the  cheap  usb dongles in  = direct =20 sample ,  gave  -1 / -2 dB  lower  detection =20 level  on 477 , that  was looking into the  Tx Ae  = via=20 the  atu    .  a 477 band pass  filter = is =20 probably all  it  needs  when used  with a =20 mini-whip 
 
For 136 ,  Gary uses  the  Sound Card  Rx  = ,=20 as  Stefan's  design    http://myweb.t= iscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html =20
with a  mini-whip  Ae ,  that  minimises = the =20 additional system  noise and keeps everything  nice and  = simple=20 .

73-G,

-1  set up is  working  well = ,  -34=20 OP8 is better  than  average

Monitor: EB3FRN-1 Loc=20 JN01MC
Frequency: 0.477 MHz (600m)
Using: Opera v1.5.8/Rptr=20 V1.6
Antenna: Op8__~34dB
Show all seen by EB3FRN-1
Last report: = EA5DOM
at Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:56:20 GMT





From: = Iban=20 Cardona
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:53 AM
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM = de EB3FRN=20 Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz


Hi Graham,


First I = have to=20 say that I live in a small town and is quiet zone. And at home and my = shack I=20 cleaned all my RFI.

The loop es bit more quiet and directive, = then the=20 signals should be over from 2 or 4dB better than the mini-whip in all = the=20 periods at 477k. In some cases make the difference to receive or not = receive=20 some station.

The active-antenna.eu loop have different setups.=20 Currently I'm using a single loop of two meters of diameter, using 1/2 = inch=20 coax. It is located at the same height  and zone of the mini-whip. = But need=20 test another loop setups and sizes. I have to test the vertical = symmetrical=20 short dipole too.


At 136 is working better the mini-whip, = because as=20 the loop is oriented to Europa I'm loosing the VO1NA QRSS. I need more = time to=20 see what is better at 136, and tests another setups too.


What = is=20 better? Not easy to say... the loop works better, but not is = omnidirectional and=20 can lose some stations.


73!=20 Iban

eb3frn












On = Tue,=20 Sep 29, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

Ok  Iban,
 
The  question  is , = which is=20 the  best  ? difficult ,  both  have the  = same =20 s/n  ,   may be  the  mini-whip  ? = as  =20 same  s/n  , more % fade , [more dropped bits]  = peak =20 signal  must be  higher  ?  or the  qsb deeper=20 ?
 
73-G,
 
 
 


From: Iban = Cardona=20
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:04 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0=20 Hz


Hi, Graaham


this the edata:


EB3FRN = Afredi=20 netsdr + 2mt active loop 
EB3FRN-1 ICOM R9000 +=20 mini-whip


73! Iban
eb3frn




On Mon, Sep = 28, 2015=20 at 8:53 PM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:

 
-1  Rx ?
18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN Op8 = 759 mi=20 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1503.9 Hz with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top = 45m=20 total
18:51 477 PA3ABK de EB3FRN-1 Op8 759 mi -30 dB F:17% in = MONTBRIO 1501.5=20 Hz with 0.5w + Marconi lin. loaded top 45m=20 total
 
 


From: Graham
Sent: Monday, = September=20 28, 2015 6:37 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz


Ok = Luis=20
 
Yes , had to be something  'loopy' going  on , = from=20 the  levels ,  25 watts  should  do  the  = job then=20 , was the  level  16  watts  before = ?
 
GL with=20 the  vertical ,  if its  locations is  where  I = think  it  will  be : -)   you  may = not =20 need  the variometer , just a  tapped  coil and  = a =20 var-capacitor from a  old  valve Rx
 
Are you = still =20 sending    opera/wspr  ?  or  just  = OP8 ,=20 no  wspr spots showing during daylight  to  day ?=20
 
73-G,
 
 
2015-09-28 07:00  = EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -28  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-28 02:00  EA5DOM =20 0.475612  -25  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-28 01:48  EA5DOM =20 0.475612  -24  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-28 01:36  EA5DOM =20 0.475612  -25  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-28 01:00  EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -26  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-27 23:12  EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -25  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-27 22:48  EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -26  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-27 22:36  EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -26  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-27 21:24  EA5DOM =20 0.475613  -27  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19
 2015-09-27 18:48  EA5DOM =20 0.475617  -25  0  IM98wn  0.002  EB3FRN =20 JN01mc  300  19



From: VIGILANT Luis = Fern=C3=A1ndez=20
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:02 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: RE: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 = dB1489.0=20 Hz


Hi Graham
 
The answer is ... QRO = :)
 
I'm=20 running the 100w PA made by Fausto IK4NMF. Not big signal increase in = local=20 (7km) decodes but
clear difference at 300Km as seen by=20 EB3FRN
 
After improving loop matching, PA works at full = power.=20 Fortunately Opera8 keeps the PA almost cold
while a single WSPR-2 = period is a=20 real stress test. Loop match is still far from perfect and = stressing
full=20 power modes are not wellcome with this setup
 
As Stefan = told,=20 keeping the loop tuned is an endless task and not the way to go for=20 QRO/Dx
Even worse for a flat horizontal loop like = mine
 
Next in=20 the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep tuned=20 ;-)
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM
 
 Audacity  = of it ,=20 in board daylight   as well
 
These are all =20 well  above the  Dynamic switch over level , Q question  = for=20 the  propagation dep't  , what's  changed ?
local = decode =20 levels  still  -5/-6 dB  , but that  path is =20 upto  6 dB  less attenuation [ opera > dynamic  s/n=20 still  average  and  same=20 calibration]
 
73-G,
14:32 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -28 dB = F:11%=20 in MONTBRIO 1482.9 Hz
14:20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -27 dB F:8% in = MONTBRIO=20 1482.7 Hz
14:08 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -29 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO = 1482.9=20 Hz
13:56 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 186 mi -28 dB F:8% in MONTBRIO = 1482.4=20 Hz
13:56 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 4 mi -6 dB F:14% in Albir 1479,5=20 Hz
12:44 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:9% in Albir 1479,5 = Hz
12:44=20 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 -30 dB F:13% in MONTBRIO 1482.7 = Hz


From:=20 Iban Cardona
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:08 AM
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM = de EB3FRN=20 Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz


Hi, Graham =


copying to=20 G6AVK too, with nice signals


23:05    477 = G6AVK Op8=20 1503.9 Hz -25 dB Fade: 2%


I attach a pict from my grabber = where can=20 see EA5DOM and G6AVK at the same time




73!=20 Iban
eb3frn






On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:00 = AM,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

True Luis  , = just=20 like  just like  VW 'crazy' code  :- = )
 
 Good=20 signals  in the  night  to  EB3FRM=20 !
 
73-G,
EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:25% -28 dB = in=20 MONTBRIO 1489.0 Hz
EA5DOM de SWL-EB3FRN (Spain): Op8 F:12% -32 dB in = MONTBRIO=20 1488.5 Hz
 


From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez =
Sent: Saturday,=20 September 26, 2015 4:18 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: LF:=20 Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 = Hz


You=20 catched me Graham ! ;-)


Running the horizontal loop again. = Better=20 matching to the PA than before, but only 8W now


I have = continued=20 Txing WSPR and Opera8 during daylight hours. Nothing on WSPR-2 at = EB3FRN
but=20 Opera is decodable at Deep Search. Turned on my monitor to confirm the = spots and=20 then
the Deep Search spots marked as "??" go without question=20 marks


12:59    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep = Search=20 -34 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:58    477 EA5DOM de = EA5DOM-1=20 Op8 -5 dB F:13% in Albir
12:35    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN = Op8=20 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
12:23    = 477=20 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8=20 Hz
11:59    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search ?? = -35 dB in=20 MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz


Big difference over WSPR-2 and even taking = in=20 consideration the higer QRM at EB3FRN
during daylight = hours


73 de=20 Luis
EA5DOM



De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Graham=20 [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 26 de septiembre de = 2015=20 1:40
Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: LF: 23:35 477 = EA5DOM de=20 EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz


Jump in Opera activity = to  day ,  with excellent conditions on   14 = MHz =20 UK/EU<>VK 


LF/MF - Note the  PSK map  = ONLY=20 shows  opera  data  decodes , Dynamic spots are  = routed via=20 the  Opera APP



Good demonstration of running a = local '=20 Rx  on LF and MF  by EA5DOM , only reaching EB3FRN in Dynamic = , but=20 validated by the local off air time stamp and recovered average = frequency ,=20 within 200 mHz , -36 dB is about the  lower limit for =20 op8D


23:35    477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep = Search -36=20 dB1489.0 Hz
23:34    477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB = F:1%_End=20 in Albir
23:23 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in1488.8=20 Hz

23:22 477 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:1%_End in = Albir
23:11 477=20 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB in MONTBRIO 1488.8 Hz
23:10 = 477=20 EA5DOM de EA5DOM-1 Op8 -5 dB F:2% in Albir


Dynamic spots = not =20 showing


21:24    136 RN3AGC de G3XDV Op32 = Deep Search=20 -42 dB in Welwyn 1535.8 Hz

20:42    136 G3XDV de = EW6BN=20 Op32 Deep Search 1204 mi -42 dB

20:37    136 = IZ7SLZ de=20 SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search -41 dB
20:37    136 IZ7SLZ = de G4WGT=20 Op32 Deep Search -42 dB
20:37    136 IZ7SLZ de = SV8RV-1 Op32=20 Deep Search -42 d
 
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