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A recent survey reported in some very
reputable sources suggests that "those who try to keep up with the
Jones's" are among the unhappiest.

Yes  but  how  un happy  do  you  have to  be to  carry out the  survey in 
the  first  place ... ?

The  art of survey is taught as   subject , the  out come may be modulated 
by the   construction of the  questions and the  certainty that  only those 
interested will  take part ... by default  will  be  eager to project there 
egocentric stance by any  opportunity .. as as for  reputation well  if you 
can  manage to  convince ten others of  similar persuasion , then  it 'must 
be' valid    .... Engineering tends to be the opposite ?

The  QRP angle  well  yes ,  no ,  maybe

Yes ....Can be fun can be a  challenge for 'all' involved e.g,  wspr  with 
the  time  locked  frame and  array  processed data  matching   or ros with 
the  use of  digital  noise cancelation  , but both of there  are  modern 
qrp systems  , 500mW  tx power  and  500 watts  cpu processing  power and 
don't  really  offer  advancement,  tx 500 watts  over the  path and you 
could  use a TRF drawing 500mW from a  PP9 ... cw of course

Maybe..... It has become a  way of queue  jumping , perhaps a bit like 
shouting 'help'  on the  hf bands

NO ..., I have  found that  when  called by a  qrp  station on HF (we are 
all  qpr  on mf) should I reduce my power to  enable the  transmitting 
station to join in the  'fun' , that's nearly always  met with the  closure 
of the  contact on the  grounds of 'ive lost you'

G..

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From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:05 AM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Re: OT Stupid Crimals

>
> Sorry about the delay in replying Mal but I think some other
> correspondents do get the point I was trying to make. That you obviously
> don't perhaps defines my point. A recent survey reported in some very
> reputable sources suggests that "those who try to keep up with the
> Jones's" are among the unhappiest. I guess that probably also says
> something about those who strive to establish their credentials as
> "Jones's".
> It's too easy to use sledgehammers to crack nuts. A problem is that the
> little guys get buried in the shrapnel that results. I and many others
> have more respect for the little guy who gets his signal heard with
> minimum power and resources than the guy who just winds up the Watts and
> kills the band until he gets what he wants. And before we get into
> debates about receiver performance those same little guys often struggle
> to afford great receivers too!
>
> Your approach to the hobby may well be appropriate but after all it is
> just a hobby, a pastime. It's just not an approach I'm in sympathy
> with.
>
> 73
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 18:34 +0100, mal hamilton wrote:
>> Om
>> What do you think about an amateur who has a large house and big garden 
>> or a
>> farm with acres of land for antennas.
>> 1. Should he sell up and move to a council house with no garden
>> 2. Remove all antennas and use a partridge joy stick
>> 3. Give up amateur radio because of his advantage
>> 4. Use only QRP so that noone can hear him/her
>> 5. Discourage all radio amateurs to improve their station.
>> 6. If one gets a good signal report immediately ground the antenna in 
>> case
>> this is seen as having an unfair advantage
>>
>> What point are you trying to make ?
>> g3kev
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@aol.com>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: OT Stupid Crimals
>>
>>
>> > Sorry Mal
>> > But that would also tend to suggest that it might be OK for an athlete
>> > to take performance-enhancing chemicals in order to achieve an
>> > "advantage" (your word) over less "advantaged" competitors in the quest
>> > for "DX".
>> > I'm not going to be "holier than thou" on this one but it does cause 
>> > one
>> > pause for thought in terms of the morality of what is, after all, a
>> > hobby pursuit!
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 19:44 +0100, mal hamilton wrote:
>> > > Warren
>> > > His problem was that he got caught. Throughout the world lots of 
>> > > radio
>> > > amateurs are running powers well above those permitted, especially 
>> > > when
>> you
>> > > take antenna gain into consideration.
>> > > Big antennas with big gain on the higher freqs is not a crime.
>> > > At one stage I had stacked 14, 21, 28 and 50 mcs yagis that gave me a
>> > > terrific advantage although my RF did not exceed the permitted power.
>> > > eg 400 watts with a 10 dB gain yagi gave me 4 Kw radiated power. I 
>> > > also
>> have
>> > > a NOV  issued in 1962 for 1 kw power.
>> > > Lots of stns in the USA are generating big erp,s
>> > > G3KEV
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
>> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:04 PM
>> > > Subject: LF: OT Stupid Crimals
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Alan Potter ZL3II was busted by the NZ telecoms agency for running
>> > > > excessive power (3100 Watts - the NZ limit is 500W PEP).
>> > > >
>> > > > The funny part is that he was caught because he posted a video on
>> > > > Youtube demonstrating his 3100W setup!
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > 73 Warren K2ORS
>> > > >                 WD2XGJ
>> > > >                 WD2XSH/23
>> > > >                 WE2XEB/2
>> > > >                 WE2XGR/1
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > --
>> > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
>> >  qth nr felixstowe uk
>> > (east coast, county of suffolk)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> -- 
> 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> qth nr felixstowe uk
> (east coast, county of suffolk)
>
>
>