Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3056 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1999 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by 212.159.2.35 with SMTP; 13 Dec 1999 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11xY68-0007oC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:13:16 +0000 Received: from snowball-rwcmta.excite.com ([198.3.99.116] helo=snowball.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11xY67-0007o2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:13:15 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from bronty ([199.172.153.112]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991213153655.GHIK22679.fortune.excite.com@bronty> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:36:55 -0800 Message-ID: <24497017.945099415550.JavaMail.imail@bronty> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:36:55 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Lowfer's Net - sunday 12 december MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 213.1.30.87 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave, G3YXM, Just to finish our brief discussion yesterday on the Lowfer's Net, my reason for trying a transmitting loop first is so that I can operate on both HF and LF without having to put up two antennas. The problem is that the garden is rather short and so I have had to bend the ends of the G5RV downwards. The top is 64 feet and so each end descends 19 feet. If I were to use the antenna as a top-loaded vertical, I would probably have to chop off these two descenders, which would probably ruin its low-angle radiation for HF. The ends come down to about 7 feet above ground and so it is easy to attach another 64 feet or so of wire a couple of feet above ground to complete the loop. It is then fed via the vertical feeder to the centre of the top. At the bottom of the feeder will be a water-proof box containing alternative matching to heavy gauge 50 ohm coax (Mr Westlakes best) for either HF or LF. To operate on HF, I would have to disconnect the lower part of the loop and switch to an HF balun. For LF reconnect the lower loop and switch to a Loop Tuning Unit as described in Steve Rawlings home page. He has kindly given me pointers to sources for components. Ideally the switching might be made using high voltage relays as in the article on Transmitting loops on page 2.25 of the LF Source Book, but initially I would do it manually. The principal problem I have found during initial tests, is that the DC resistance of 300 ohm feeder (best quality air spaced) is 0.7 Ohm for 34 feet - very high! So I am making my own out of 50/.25 wire with 3inch spreaders, which will reduce it to about a tenth of this figure. By the way can anyone complete the graph of RF resistance against frequency from Les Moxon's book (HF antennas for all Locations fig 3.10) for the bit of interest between 1 MHz and 0Hz. The graphs are shown as straight lines, with the resistance increasing with decreasing frequency, but it must turn over at some point in order to come down to the DC resistance at 0Hz. This must be a problem others have faced, how to use a single antenna for both HF and LF - but I haven't seen any discussion about it. Nice to meet you on the air for the first time, all be it not on 136 yet, but I have heard you on that band many times, including twice on Sunday, when you were S8 here in Reading despite the fact that the RX loop is East-West at the moment. 73s John, G4CNN, IO91ML _______________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com