Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA013-b4f14c4179da1db; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:37:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DDD5380000AA; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Oa3oR-000678-4s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:36:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Oa3oQ-00066z-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:36:02 +0100 Received: from smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Oa3oP-0003XR-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:36:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 27137 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2010 09:35:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PEMP4y7NhdWoM9f+/H1Ty1DNf06zlpiOeeHXaaH6RHvWkKF2dOiSea3nkosexug6NzcNJEc46HFfIysSORQU5K0CGcQIUciGVso2WjH1SolI7j8uyLGnXxWhKli1K3BadotfX5f1wrMM8pfAYJw4mhDWJRXzV57WMMcDJ2qJ14Y= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1279359355; bh=RnEzKlEejVUwi0D5pQ0cYtwJ9t/UVh/eAGJlKoqk8+A=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BS/0LAwQH6qwktVlUPT2mme4Y2lYHagoooH69DHU6UTuJJfUdZYj5gxGsCdq/FTEECDX98+QdFC6uFAYvprhrWn87/5Q7v/9Ky0Akz4amrulVWDILk2X2mb2qrxu7j6v7ocMxhD1Lof7ioqd/SoyjAwuQ/cZfqhsuKfiYlFZ/68= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.179.212.98 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 09:35:54 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: i63YW6AVM1nz6BAq3.SHhRpJ3IquC2BWF_AdblKbSkyQeQB ZBoutPM_DGrcXThsrh22DbAKEpZroasXwAxoaIRKuGbLvo3N9CzvM7DjgZT3 gHzg7UH3SWTfnxqlBT2RNKqrLNDHZzAYFuDw6ipe5u2_bLKZ7I7IN100x.oz B761y6DC5UQ2G_0dmi0clzNdHYPLq32.tLlqqwtrFcyaYt2A3cQqDlYqNpfh nJ_yFSfNzEVJRz8LqdFQHoKfZNSUa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <238EA2564C9A4D3989B6610074923E36@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <6F39497B262549EABA3A1EF7B433C453@IBM7FFA209F07C> In-Reply-To: <6F39497B262549EABA3A1EF7B433C453@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:35:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Toroids Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d224.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4c4179d82dc2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Chris, LF Group, "Power" ferrites for switch-mode PSU applications like 3C8 / 3C85 / 3C90 /3C95 / 3F3 / N27 / N67 / N87 / F44 / #77 / #78, etc., are all quite similar with mu in the region of 2000 - they are quite well suited to PA applications at 136 and 500k. Large toroids don't seem to be very popular with manufacturers of SMPSUs, probably because of the difficulty of winding more than a few turns, applying insulation between windings, mounting on a PCB, etc. with the toroid geometry. So they are quite rare. Pot cores and "E" cores with plastic bobbins, such as the ETD format, are much more widely available in these materials, and in my view easier to wind where multiple windings are needed. E.g. I have used ETD39 core sets for a few hundred watts PA output at 136k, and ETD49 up to 1kW. They are available in one-off quantities from suppliers like RS components and Farnell. If you really must have toroids, consider using "EMC supression" type cores - these are usually Fair-Rite #43 material with mu around 850, or some equivalent. They will require somewhat more turns due to lower permeability and flux density, and have a lower maximum operating temperature. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU